what about your fucked up country? why don't they do better?
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
Which, had you actually been educated about the Constutution and the Electoral College, would result in the majority of the country being disenfranchised.
How so? the majority of the population of our country lives in large cities.
I would be inclinded to agree. Unless the flaws are pointed out, they can never be addressed. I said one thing to criticise Trump and a number of posters took it personally and jumped down my throat, which I found to be quite amusing as the snowflake mentality is characteristically angled towards the Left rather than the Right whereas the reality appears to be that both sides can be as bad as each other. I like Trump and if I were as
I am defintely not anti-USA. On the contrary, I support the USA... but it can >do better. It's just that certain people on here get VERY touchy and upset when
'outsiders' criticise their utopian constitutional Republic.
We should, but we haven't really spoken about the UK because I don't think you >people know too much about it. The UK also doesn't have the clout that the USA >has in the international arena, so it's less relevant.
I don't think there's an argument to "win"... I am not here to argue over the interwebz with some dude located thousands of miles away from me.
Why get upset when you're on DOVE-NET of all places... this isn't even Facebook, Reddit, 4Chan or any form of relevant social media!
Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-
not even purposely trying to trigger you! Why get upset when
you're on DOVE-NET of all places... this isn't even Facebook,
Reddit, 4Chan or any form of relevant social media!
Do you wear skinny-jeans and have a man-bun?
Hey, what's wrong with a man-bun? :P
Re: Re: Election
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Thu Dec 03 2020 08:30 am
Do you wear skinny-jeans and have a man-bun?
Hey, what's wrong with a man-bun? :P
Everything.
DaiTengu
There seems to be a double standard and a bit of hypocrisy about that. People don't like when other people criticize their candidate/party of choice, but they're also quick to criticize the other candidate/party..
Nightfox
I get touchy if they always criticise my country but never criticise, or even discuss, their own, or seem overly obsessed with my country's leadership. Otherwise, I feel they are free to their opinion. :)
Tell us more about it and we will know.
I don't think there's an argument to "win"... I am not here to argue over the interwebz with some dude located thousands of miles away from me.
Then why are you posting in the "Debate" section of the boards?
Why get upset when you're on DOVE-NET of all places... this isn't even Facebook, Reddit, 4Chan or any form of relevant social media!
Whao whao whaooooooo dude.
Why have you gotta shit on DOVE-NET like that man? I think this place is relevant.
There seems to be a double standard and a bit of hypocrisy about that. People >on't like when other people criticize their candidate/party of choice, but they
re also quick to criticize the other candidate/party..
There seems to be a double standard and a bit of hypocrisy about that.
People on't like when other people criticize their candidate/party of
choice, but they re also quick to criticize the other candidate/party..
True but, in this particular case, the person making the criticism has no candidate because they don't live here. People got angry because some
Re: Re: Election
By: Vlk-451 to Andeddu on Fri Dec 04 2020 06:52 pm
I don't think there's an argument to "win"... I am not here to argue over the interwebz with some dude located thousands of miles away from me.
Then why are you posting in the "Debate" section of the boards?
Debates aren't arguments.
I am defintely not anti-USA. On the contrary, I support the USA... butwhen
it can do better. It's just that certain people on here get VERY touchy
and upset
'outsiders' criticise their utopian constitutional Republic.
I get touchy if they always criticise my country but never criticise, or even discuss, their own, or seem overly obsessed with my country's leadership. Otherwise, I feel they are free to their opinion. :)
It's the same with the Left always banging on about Right wing conspiracy
theories when they're guilty of disseminating their own "Russian collusion" conspiracy theory for years and continue to do so after it being debunked.
I'm still howling over the fact that he told that dude he wore skinny jeans and a man bun. That was the funniest shit I've read in a week.
The UK isn't particularly important on the world stage right now. MRO is right,
there is no even partnership between our countries like during the >Thatcher/Reagan era... since Blair, you have been the dog and we have been the >tail.
I was replying to his comment that Trump supporters take it personally when he >riticized Trump, when usually leftists tend to be known as snowflakes.
I get touchy if they always criticise my country but never criticise, or even discuss, their own, or seem overly obsessed with my country's leadership. Otherwise, I feel they are free to their opinion. :)
if people from other countries criticize the usa it's usually because of their >edia is so sensationalized. they've been that way a lot longer than our media >as been.
A 'debate', as a noun, is understood as a formal discussion between people or groups of people that is regulated. Interestingly, debates are considered based on 'arguments', which are lines of reasoning, support or evidence about a subject. However, a debate has the feeling of a larger, longer or more formal discussion. A formal debate may even be judged by a person or a panel of people, with one side winning the debate by providing the best lines of reasoning or support for the issue. For example, She argued that people should have the right to decide about their own medical care at the debate.
I'm still howling over the fact that he told that dude he wore skinny jeans and a man bun. That was the funniest shit I've read in a week.
if people from other countries criticize the usa it's usually because of their media is so sensationalized. they've been that way a lot longer than our media has been.
How was it debunked? Several including Roger Stone were convicted and sentenced for their crimes although Roger Stone never did his time because Donald Trump commuted his sentence and has now pardoned Michael Flynn. I don't know if Michael Flynn's pardon will stick since his case hasn't concluded yet.
Russian collusion was never a conspiracy theory. A large number of people were convicted and sentenced for their roles.
Russian collusion was never a conspiracy theory. A large number of
people were convicted and sentenced for their roles.
Last I checked, which was a long time ago, the Mueller Report returned with no sufficient evidence in relation to a Trump-Russia conspiracy.
While I know some people are upset, I have not seen any screaming or crying at a protest because Biden won. I have not seen people I thought were rational adults having breakdowns on FB because Biden won. Four years ago,
Why do you suppose Blair (or the US) let it get that way?
The Mueller investigation was never about charging Donald Trump since he was a sitting president at the time, but it never exonerated him either.
https://youtu.be/HMp9_f-jxDw
Mueller himself said that Donald Trump could be charged with obstruction based on what he saw.
https://youtu.be/wDBBSLqLhT4
As far as I am aware, who won has not been settled at all.
I am not following the events *that*c closely but investigations regarding contested votes are turning interesting things. Like those machines that were scannign votes and assigning them to the wrong party, or people caught scanning the same set of votes multiple times.
My mother was running numbers earlier this morning and told me none of the candidates has votes enough to become elect president once you substract the votes that are under non-baseless investigation.
In fact I find it disturbing when a lot of media is reporting that things are settled and Trump is conceeding. Specially because somebody showed me a headline from a Spanish journal which claimed Trump was conceeding while Trump himself was posting he didn't on Twitter.
I don't know enough about the investigation because I considered it too tedious to pay attention to.
I only saw that the Mueller Report returned with non-sufficency to prove a definitive connection.
I don't know how Russia could influence an election in any meaningful and widespread way. I know they would surely have tried, but that's par for the course in international politics. Every country tries to meddle in every other country's elections.
I don't doubt there's a realistic possibility Trump could be charged with something
but it would be similar charges to Roger Stone and Michael Flynn. Those were obstruction charges, or similar, not charges of conspiracy and collusion.
My mother was running numbers earlier this morning and told me none of the candidates has votes enough to become elect president once you substract the votes that are under non-baseless investigation.
Did you see the CCTV footage of the Georgia count? It looks pretty damning to me. They apparently debunked any foul play shortly after the election due to the absence of CCTV footage, however the recent revelation of the footage will
require much explanation.
I don't know enough about the investigation because I considered it too tedious to pay attention to. I only saw that the Mueller Report returned with non-sufficency to prove a definitive connection. I don't know how Russia could influence an election in any meaningful and widespread way. I know they would surely have tried, but that's par for the course in international politics. Every country tries to meddle in every other country's elections. I don't doubt there's a realistic possibility Trump could be charged with something but it would be similar charges to Roger Stone and Michael Flynn. Those were obstruction charges, or similar, not charges of conspiracy and collusion.
Dumas Walker wrote to ANDEDDU <=-to
Did you see the CCTV footage of the Georgia count? It looks pretty damning
me. They apparently debunked any foul play shortly after the election due to the absence of CCTV footage, however the recent revelation of the footagewill
require much explanation.
They are trying to debunk that with the standard "no evidence of fraud" line but, IMHO, they could really shoot Trump down by actually looking into that instance and giving a brief explanation as to what the video shows.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer of credibility now.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no De>> alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a De>> veneer of credibility now.
The allegations of fraud were never dismissed. This election has been looked over time and again. There have been hearings and investigations but never any real evidence of a stolen election.
Here in the message areas we can make any kind of claims we want and argue day and night.
In a court if you make allegations you have to have proof and none has been provided.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a vene of credibility now.
They are trying to debunk that with the standard "no evidence of fraud" line but, IMHO, they could really shoot Trump down by actually looking into that instance and giving a brief explanation as to what the video shows.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no >alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer >of credibility now.
I thought that in situations like this the obvious step would
be to "launch an inquiry". That process would allow the
seeking of evidence - wouldn't it?
Inquiries are designed to facilitate the processes to access
records, films, documents, and scrutinize everything.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer of credibility now.
The allegations of fraud were never dismissed. This election has been looked ov
r time and again. There have been hearings and investigations but never any rea
evidence of a stolen election.
I thought that in situations like this the obvious step would
be to "launch an inquiry". That process would allow the
seeking of evidence - wouldn't it?
Inquiries are designed to facilitate the processes to access
records, films, documents, and scrutinize everything.
If they want to be transparent
and kick the legs out from under Trump, they would explain it better than that. Dennis is correct. They don't want to provide an explanation.
Al wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Election
By: Dennisk to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 09 2020 09:07 pm
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer of credibility now.
The allegations of fraud were never dismissed. This election has been looked over time and again. There have been hearings and investigations but never any real evidence of a stolen election.
Here in the message areas we can make any kind of claims we want and
argue day and night.
In a court if you make allegations you have to have proof and none has been provided.
Dumas Walker wrote to DENNISK <=-
They are trying to debunk that with the standard "no evidence of fraud" line but, IMHO, they could really shoot Trump down by actually looking into that instance and giving a brief explanation as to what the video shows.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no
alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer
of credibility now.
Yes, that is it, like they've stopped trying.
It would not take much effort at all to give decent explanations for
all of the stuff that has made it on video. Doing so would completely kick the feet out from under the claims that Trump and his team are making. It seems like such an easy thing to do for anyone trying to be credible.
It is how I would handle it, unless I realized something really was
going on in the videos. Not being a politician, I would still handle
it that way even if it was bad news.
Isn't the whole point of being an investigative journalist, to look into it?
That is my point, journalists weren't interested in digging into the claims. They were merely dismissed.
If they want to be transparent
Where is this lack of transparency?
and kick the legs out from under Trump, they would explain it better than
that. Dennis is correct. They don't want to provide an explanation.
There was an election, the votes were counted and Joe Biden was declared the w
ner of that election.
At the very least, you want want to act in a way which affirms people faith in >the democratic process. If people believe that the democratic process doesn't >work, then investigating and reporting an explanation for the claims of >anomalies would restore faith. And that is IMPORTANT, because we consider free
and fair elections something worthy to die and to kill for.
Even if the claims aren't justified, the 'ruling elite' have an obligation to >assure the public, by means of evidence and careful debunking by providing >better explanations of what is going on.
You may need to be tested for a reading comprehension issue.
We were discussing a specific, RECENT video that surfaced which shows some election officials apparently being sent out of a room, and then the remaining ones pulling a bunch of ballot containers out from under a covered table and running them through the machines.
"No evidence" is a BS answer that government folks give when they don't want to explain something. It is also how conspiracy theories start.
No evidence is no evidence. It's made of the same BS as a conspiracy theory.
This whole election fraud thing is simply fake news. Donald Trump is having his
digs at Mar-a-lago updated in advance of his arrival, even he knows the truth. >Hopefully this will be his last grift.
There is video evidence with no explanation given.
WAIT, but I know that you believe
that "fake news" doesn't exist, just like the Easter Bunny, "Antifa," and "the Deep State."
There is video evidence with no explanation given.
That video, like so many supplied by the right has been debunked.
WAIT, but I know that you believe
How do you know what I believe?
that "fake news" doesn't exist, just like the Easter Bunny, "Antifa," and
"the Deep State."
Fake news is nothing new. Liars and cheats have existed since the beginning.
Fake news is nothing new. Liars and cheats have existed since the
beginning.
So now it DOES exist. Hmmm....
That video, like so many supplied by the right has been debunked.
PUSU - show us where.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to All on Sat Dec 05 2020 01:33 pm
I'm still howling over the fact that he told that dude he wore skinny jeans and a man bun. That was the funniest shit I've read in a week.
Yeah, that was really hilarious. Had me rolling on the floor laughing. I didn't know what to do with myself.
Nightfox
Well, did you clip the man bun and look for cargo pants at wal-mart?
Re: Re: Election
By: Vlk-451 to Andeddu on Sat Dec 05 2020 01:31 pm
A 'debate', as a noun, is understood as a formal discussion between people or groups of people that is regulated. Interestingly, debates are considered based on 'arguments', which are lines of reasoning, support or evidence about a subject. However, a debate has the feeling of a larger, longer or more formal discussion. A formal debate may even be judged by a person or a panel of people, with one side winning the debate by providing the best lines of reasoning or support for the issue. For example, She argued that people should have the right to decide about their own medical care at the debate.
A lot of the time certain posters here constitute a 'debate' as hurling insults at one another. I won't name names, but it's fairly evident who they are.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to All on Sat Dec 05 2020 01:33 pm
I'm still howling over the fact that he told that dude he wore skinny jeans and a man bun. That was the funniest shit I've read in a week.
Nah, a man bun is more of a Spanish thing. All our footballers who go to Spain like Gareth Bale end up going from skin on the sides and long at the top to a man bun.
Re: Re: Election
By: Dennisk to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 09 2020 09:07 pm
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a vene of credibility now.
Because the whole system is Freudulent. What would they do if they allowed it? Toss out the entire election? Preidents are just puppets. They are really not that important and do not have the power people believe they have. It's time to move on.
|03 HusTler
Al wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Election
By: Dennisk to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 09 2020 09:07 pm
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer of credibility now.
The allegations of fraud were never dismissed. This election has been looked over time and again. There have been hearings and investigations but never any real evidence of a stolen election.
Here in the message areas we can make any kind of claims we want and argue day and night.
In a court if you make allegations you have to have proof and none has been provided.
Isn't the whole point of being an investigative journalist, to look into it?
That is my point, journalists weren't interested in digging into the claims. They were merely dismissed.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to Nightfox on Fri Dec 18 2020 09:38 am
Well, did you clip the man bun and look for cargo pants at wal-mart?
I don't have a man bun and don't have any cargo pants either..
I don't have a man bun and don't have any cargo pants either..
I honestly prefer Jeans, so I feel you there.
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just never really caught on with me.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Nightfox to Vlk-451 on Sun Dec 27 2020 08:24 pm
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
how can a man enjoy skinny jeans?!
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
you must be a fatty.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to Nightfox on Mon Dec 28 2020 02:13 am
I don't have a man bun and don't have any cargo pants either..
I honestly prefer Jeans, so I feel you there.
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just never really caught on with me.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Dec 27 2020 11:39 pm
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
you must be a fatty.
I don't know where that idea come from (I see large people wearing jeans all the time), but that has nothing to do with it.. I just never really liked the style of jeans.
Nightfox
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
You should try the modern strechy kind. They're hardly even denim.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
how can a man enjoy skinny jeans?!
I lost a lot of weight and was just excited to try a few pairs
out now that my legs don't chafe from my fat rubbing together
when walking.
I tend to get the kind with the strechy material built into it so
it's not quite as bad as leather or pure denim.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to Nightfox on Mon Dec 28 2020 04:00 pm
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
You should try the modern strechy kind. They're hardly even denim.
i thought that shit was for women.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
how can a man enjoy skinny jeans?!
An actual "man" can't.
I lost a lot of weight and was just excited to try a few pairs
out now that my legs don't chafe from my fat rubbing together
when walking.
I tend to get the kind with the strechy material built into it so
it's not quite as bad as leather or pure denim.
So they're actually girl's yoga pants?
No pics, please.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
You should try the modern strechy kind. They're hardly even denim.
i thought that shit was for women.
They make them in mens cuts. It's all the same shit.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
You should try the modern strechy kind. They're hardly even denim.
i thought that shit was for women.
It is.
They make them in mens cuts. It's all the same shit.
I don't think they do. In your confusion you are probably shopping in
the Women's Plus-size department and think those are "mens cuts"...
The more you describe yourself, I'm POSITIVE you have a man-bun.
I use the term "man" loosely.
Nah, a man bun is more of a Spanish thing. All our footballers
who go to Spain like Gareth Bale end up going from skin on the
sides and long at the top to a man bun.
That is the popular trend. I don't get it. It's like balding in
reverse.
Hello Vlk-451!
** On Monday 28.12.20 - 01:41, vlk-451 wrote to Andeddu:
Nah, a man bun is more of a Spanish thing. All our footballers
who go to Spain like Gareth Bale end up going from skin on the
sides and long at the top to a man bun.
That is the popular trend. I don't get it. It's like balding in
reverse.
Vikings inspired fans? Just google for Vikings tv series and then select images. The people were tough and worshipped demi-gods.
I get touchy if they always criticise my country but never
criticise, or even discuss, their own, or seem overly obsessed
with my country's leadership. Otherwise, I feel they are free to
their opinion. :)
if people from other countries criticize the usa it's usually because
of their edia is so sensationalized. they've been that way a lot
longer than our media as been.
Yes, or they've been watching our media. It would be nice if the media would quit trying to compete with the cable news and the internet and just present the news for what it is and not the entertainment value.
Was Walter Cronkite on of the last honest News anchors?
These day's we have cockroaches like Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Wolf Blitzer spreading the daily gossip.
Dumas Walker wrote to DENN <=-
Was Walter Cronkite on of the last honest News anchors?
Maybe not *the* last, but certainly a member of the last group.
These day's we have cockroaches like Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Wolf Blitzer spreading the daily gossip.
Those are not news men, especially the first two. Pot stirrers
at best.
Was Walter Cronkite on of the last honest News anchors?
Maybe not *the* last, but certainly a member of the last group.
These day's we have cockroaches like Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Wolf
Blitzer spreading the daily gossip.
Those are not news men, especially the first two. Pot stirrers at best.
Those are not news men, especially the first two. Pot stirrers at best.
I equate them to the Enquirer and others.
My ex wife used to buy those and she thought they were true stories, lol
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