I worked in tech for years, and one of the things that drove me crazy
were people who worked late.

Same. Difference where I worked was they didn't get any of those
additional benefits you mentioned (like the dinner break) and I never heard them complaining about food being gone. Instead, they'd complain when no
one showed up for their 5pm (or later) meetings.

Although a few were "rock stars" in the sense that they were good at what
they did, most of them were what I called "late-ees" who didn't seem to get
a whole lot done during regular business hours. IMHO, they were not
capable of keeping regular hours. They got just enough done to keep their
job, and those were the ones that complained the most.


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Although a few were "rock stars" in the sense that they were good at
what they did

Since we're talking about work tropes, I've got to add in "fire
fighters".

I work in traditional IT operations, we followed structured processes
around systems, including understanding the underlying OSes,
networking, backups, and basic systems administration.

Every once in a while we'd get a User who'd stand up a system that got
slipped into production. They usually complained that IT wasn't
responsive enough, or more likely they didn't want to pay for a proper
system.

The system they stood up would be missing some primary component of a
proper server, like redundant power supplies, redundant disks, or
network throughput wasn't considered when servicing multiple users, or
in one case was sitting on someone desk and was *stolen*.

The User would come in and work a long weekend or an all-nighter
getting the system back up and running, and send out
self-congratulatory emails to stakeholders, who didn't know any better
and held the User to high regard.

"Best way not spend weekend repairing server, build it right first
place."

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, most of them were what I called "late-ees" who didn't

seem to get a whole lot done during regular business hours. IMHO, they were not capable of keeping regular hours. They got just enough done
to keep their job, and those were the ones that complained the most.

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hoem before the eclipse. Just because I don't want to be on the road while the idiots smash into each other.

Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the
day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)


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Re: Re: People who work late
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 08 2024 06:43 am

Although a few were "rock stars" in the sense that they were good at what they did

fighters".

I work in traditional IT operations, we followed structured processes
around systems, including understanding the underlying OSes,
networking, backups, and basic systems administration.

Every once in a while we'd get a User who'd stand up a system that got

thankfully the 'rock star' stuff seems to have died down.
I only found a few jobs on indeed in my region that use the term.

one is a crummy job where you have to know a lot of trades and get paid poorly. the other is some company called inet-web and they have horrible reviews.
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Re: Eclipse travel
By: Dumas Walker to TINY on Mon Apr 08 2024 08:35 am

hoem before the eclipse. Just because I don't want to be on the road while the idiots smash into each other.

Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)

i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun.
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i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun. -+-

they weren't wearing the proper glasses? i guess their next
trip will be to the eye doctor.

at best, there was a sliver of a crescent at my location
between 3:15 and 3:32 EDT. the sky was very cloudy but the
eclipse was visible from time to time. i have some pictures i
should post.

i viewed it in conjunction with a pinhole viewer when the sun
poked through the clouds and it was simply not safe to look
directly at the event. the results were excellent. the whole
far end of the box projected a very large portion of the sky.
the moving clouds provided a greater sense of "real time" as
they passed over the sun.


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Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on
the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out
in the middle of nowhere. ;)

It ended up being cloudy here. Of course an hour after it the clouds all
went away and it was a beautiful sunny evening. LOL

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Re: Eclipse travel
By: Ogg to MRO on Mon Apr 08 2024 06:54 pm

Hello MRO!

i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun. -+-

they weren't wearing the proper glasses? i guess their next
trip will be to the eye doctor.

some were and some werent. they were holding their hands up and looking.

then i was by a cellphone tower and dude i was with said look at the tower. it's blocking the sun. there's a cool effect. and he was right. but then hours later i realized i sunburned my eyes.
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Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)

It ended up being cloudy here. Of course an hour after it the clouds all went away and it was a beautiful sunny evening. LOL

It clouded up here shortly after is started, too, but the clouds did break
long enough for a pretty good view of the crescent Sun. We were not going
to have totality here anyway.


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Re: Eclipse travel
By: Dumas Walker to TINY on Wed Apr 10 2024 07:58 am

I walked across the street from my house to an empty lot beside our neighboor's house. There were about 8 of us there. Very few clouds and about 3 minutes of total eclipse. Now I've experienced three minutes of night during the day.

I was surprised at how quickly it became full daylight once the edge of the sun was visible again.

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Ah, I've heard about that. It does seem like a bit of a game.. One more thing
to benefit the company and not the people who work for them.

It depends on what kind of employee you are and what your situation is.
For someone like me, it wouldn't benefit me at all because I didn't take
as much time off. For some of my co-workers, who often took time off,
having no limit on how much they could take would benefit them as they were often running out of time to take and were never going to get compensated for much/any time upon leaving anyway.

I could see that being a benefit to people with kids, too... more time to
take vacations with them while they are young and still want to be around
their parents.


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Re: Unlimited PTO
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Fri Apr 12 2024 10:35 am

Ah, I've heard about that. It does seem like a bit of a game.. One more
thing
to benefit the company and not the people who work for them.

It depends on what kind of employee you are and what your situation is. For someone like me, it wouldn't benefit me at all because I didn't take as much time off.

I was thinking about the fact that the company wouldn't have as much debt on its books. It sounds like with unlimited vacation, they wouldn't have to give a payout for unused vacation when an employee is laid off or leaves for other reasons. So if you don't take much time off, then it still affects you.

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It depends on what kind of employee you are and what your situation is. For someone like me, it wouldn't benefit me at all because I didn't take as much time off.

I was thinking about the fact that the company wouldn't have as much debt on i
books. It sounds like with unlimited vacation, they wouldn't have to give a p
out for unused vacation when an employee is laid off or leaves for other reaso
. So if you don't take much time off, then it still affects you.

Yeah, that is what I said -- "it wouldn't *benefit* me" because I didn't take much time off and would have received a nice pay-out under the previous
method. ;)

OTOH, I had several co-workers who apparently didn't care about any payouts
and would have loved unlimited time.

I liked taking some time off but also wanted the $$$ so I probably wouldn't like it if an employer converted from compensation to unlimited.


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"Unlimited" PTO is a perceived benefit with little benefit to the
employee with a huge effect on company financials.

Honestly, I think benefit to the employee depends. If I was working
somewhere that had the compensation method in place and switched to
unlimited, I'd be pretty upset. However, if I knew that going in, I might
see it as a benefit because there'd be no limit on how much time I took (so long as it was approved).

As I told another poster, I used to work at a compensation method employer.
That worked *great* for me in the end, but I had a lot of co-workers who really didn't care about the payout they might get and seemed a lot more interested in taking time off -- they took it off almost as the accumulated
it and never carried a balance worth anything monetarily.

Some had families and took off a lot to do family things, others just
burned time. For them, they'd probably have loved unlimited PTO and seen it
as a certain benefit. To be honest, I am glad that employer never got the
idea because, if they'd put it up to a vote, my co-workers probably would
have sold those of us out that carried a lot of time in order to get their unlimited time off.


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I would be absolutely surprised if nobody tries to take full advantage of that. Every Friday off? You bet!

I had a guy working for me who wanted to take off a day of PTO as soon
as it accrued. It worked out to him putting in a PTO request every first friday for months in a row.

I worked with someone that, for several years, we knew he'd be off the
first day or two of each month immediately burning off his newly
accumulated sick days. If he got sick later in the month, he'd be in the office, germs and all.

I don't know what happened but, later, he quit doing that. Maybe he
realized it was getting closer to retirement and he wanted the days.
There, you didn't get monetary compensation for sick days but they instead counted towards service time.

I don't know if he burned his vacation/PTO days like that, too, or not.
For a while I was in another office where we had a young lady who burned through both sick and PTO every month.


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Re: Unlimited PTO
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Apr 13 2024 09:49 am

Honestly, I think benefit to the employee depends. If I was working somewhere that had the compensation method in place and switched to unlimited, I'd be pretty upset. However, if I knew that going in, I might see it as a benefit because there'd be no limit on how much time I took (so long as it was approved).

There's a chance you might not be able to take much time off, because things are too busy and/or your manager doesn't approve it. In that situation, I'd still like to have a payout if possible.

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Re: Unlimited PTO
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Sat Apr 13 2024 03:38 pm

Re: Unlimited PTO
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Apr 13 2024 09:49 am

Honestly, I think benefit to the employee depends. If I was working somewhere that had the compensation method in place and switched to unlimited, I'd be pretty upset. However, if I knew that going in, I might see it as a benefit because there'd be no limit on how much time I took (so long as it was approved).

There's a chance you might not be able to take much time off, because things are too busy and/or your manager doesn't approve it. In that situation, I'd still like to have a payout if possible.

unlimited pto sounds like a crock for salary workers. especially since you have to get it approved. your manager could pinch you and have you work more than you would when you had a set amount of days of pto.
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Re: Eclipse travel
By: Dumas Walker to TINY on Mon Apr 08 2024 08:35 am

Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)

Cleveland was actually easy in and out. The 2017 one I was stuck in horrendus traffic!

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Re: Eclipse travel
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 08 2024 04:25 pm

i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun.

https://x.com/JonathanSackett/status/1777833258459234521

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I wonder if education programs are at fault.

As in, college graduates barely know how to code the basics so companies have
train them nearly from the ground up. It certainly seems that way in lots of elds.

I have a few friends who are teachers. They say that they are "motivated"
by their school admins/systems to teach children to be able to pass the standardized tests that they take every year and not much else.

We took some standardized test when I was a kid but there was a different emphasis on them back then. Like I think it was more a measure of the
student and their abilities, and less about whether or not the school was "failing."

As a result, I feel like we may have received a more rounded education than current kids do.


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Re: Re: HAPPY TRANSGENDER DAY
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Apr 16 2024 06:35 am

I wonder how many college kids nowadays have jobs that are at least field-adjacent. We're pushing our son to get an internship this summer
so he can get some on the job experience and some resume line items
besides "worked in a grocery store".

My high school offered a "class" that was actually an internship at a local business. No pay, but you were "out of school" for the last two classes of the day and received a credit towards graduation. I got an internship at Acxiom, at that time one of the largest IT companies in my state. Unfortunately, I was a gopher for an Admin Assistant and did not get any actual IT experience. But it was fun nonetheless.

I worked in my field and finished up school part time, so I felt like I
had some chops before I left school.

The summer that I turned 15, I took a college class in PL/1. My motivation was actually to get my own account on their VAX 11/780 cluster, as Computing Services was getting finicky about me using my mother's VAX account. :)

Anyway, I became one of the "lab rats", the nickname they had for students who spent more time than "needed" hanging out in the computer labs. After I graduated high school, I got a job as a lab supervisor. Primary duties were pulling printouts off the line printer and showing students how to turn on a VT220 terminal and log into the VAX. No, I'm not kidding... :D

One of my friends was a senior and when he graduated the following year, he got a job as a programmer at a startup. He was the first and only programmer and quickly figured out they could make better progress if he had some help. He recommended me, a 19 year old geek who loved to write code. I went from making $5/hr twiddling my thumbs in the computer lab to $6/hr writing code at home in my pajamas. I was in heaven. I dropped out of college and started my first full-time job.

Five years later, with 5 years of professional C++ experience, I decided to find a new position. But had no desire to go back to college. Luckily, I didn't *need* to.

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RE: Education pgms at fault?
BY: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Tue Apr 16 2024 11:00:00

As a result, I feel like we may have received a more rounded education than current kids do.

i nfeel the same way

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Re: Eclipse travel
By: The Lizard Master to MRO on Tue Apr 16 2024 04:27 am

Re: Eclipse travel
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 08 2024 04:25 pm

i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun.

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Re: Working in your field
By: Skylar to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 16 2024 03:40 pm

The summer that I turned 15, I took a college class in PL/1. My motivation was actually to get my own account on their VAX 11/780 cluster, as Computing Services was getting finicky about me using my mother's VAX account. :)

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Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-

I have a few friends who are teachers. They say that they are
"motivated" by their school admins/systems to teach children to be able
to pass the standardized tests that they take every year and not much else.

That's been the case for decades now.

We took some standardized test when I was a kid but there was a
different emphasis on them back then. Like I think it was more a
measure of the student and their abilities, and less about whether or
not the school was "failing."

I remember those. And, ya, initially, they were more of a guage to see how the students were doing and use the data to make adjustments. But, like all measurements, it turned into something else.

As a result, I feel like we may have received a more rounded education than current kids do.

That's more because our schools today are more of indoctrination centers telling kids what to think, as opposed to education centers showing kids how to think.


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Skylar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

My high school offered a "class" that was actually an internship at a local business. No pay, but you were "out of school" for the last two classes of the day and received a credit towards graduation.

We had the same, but we got paid. Less the minimum wage, since it wasn't full time, but still...

I got an
internship at Acxiom, at that time one of the largest IT companies in
my state. Unfortunately, I was a gopher for an Admin Assistant and did
not get any actual IT experience. But it was fun nonetheless.

Similar experience. I got a job at a little software company in my town. It was a very interesting experience in how NOT to run a business. IHMO: All experience - good and bad - is useful.

The summer that I turned 15, I took a college class in PL/1.

So you are a maschochist. :)

My motivation was actually to get my own account on their VAX 11/780 cluster, as Computing Services was getting finicky about me using my mother's VAX account. :)

Well, at least you had a good reason for the self-harm. :)

students how to turn on a VT220 terminal and log into the VAX. No, I'm
not kidding... :D

Oh, that brings back memories of how ignorant some freshmen were in college. You'd think that they would have tried to get more experience using computers before then.

Five years later, with 5 years of professional C++ experience, I
decided to find a new position. But had no desire to go back to
college. Luckily, I didn't *need* to.

Ya, college was OK, but I really didn't **need** it. About the only thing that it did was open some doors that would have been closed to me at the time without a degree.


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Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)

Cleveland was actually easy in and out. The 2017 one I was stuck in horrendus affic!

I wondered how it was viewing it in a big city. The areas near here
that were in totallity in 2017 were all rural and didn't have the infrastructure to handle that many people trying to leave at the same time. Getting there was a little easier, I guess because people set out to get
there at different times. Once it was over, though, everyone wanted out at once. ;)


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Skylar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

My high school offered a "class" that was actually an internship at a local business. No pay, but you were "out of school" for the last two classes of the day and received a credit towards graduation. I got an internship at Acxiom, at that time one of the largest IT companies in
my state. Unfortunately, I was a gopher for an Admin Assistant and did
not get any actual IT experience. But it was fun nonetheless.

I'm sure you learned a lot just being around a functional corporate
environment - something kids don't learn when all they do is attend
classes.

My company a few years back participated in an internship program called YearUp. They took kids from commuity colleges and kids working
part-time jobs after high school. Not your usual well-to-do University
kids.

YearUp taught them basic office etiquette, how to use MS Office apps,
and how to interact in teams and in 1:1 settings, and they'd split time
between corporate internship and classwork.

I did 3 cohorts of 2 people each and it gave me great exposure to
working and managing 20-somethings. They were a great experience for me,
and each one of them left the program with a position either at our
company or outside.

One guy went from bussing tables and working at a convenience store to
making $60K in a bizdev role, I got to see him continue his career while
I worked there.

I worked in my field and finished up school part time, so I felt like I
had some chops before I left school.

The summer that I turned 15, I took a college class in PL/1. My
motivation was actually to get my own account on their VAX 11/780
cluster, as Computing Services was getting finicky about me using my mother's VAX account. :)

Anyway, I became one of the "lab rats", the nickname they had for
students who spent more time than "needed" hanging out in the computer labs. After I graduated high school, I got a job as a lab supervisor. Primary duties were pulling printouts off the line printer and showing students how to turn on a VT220 terminal and log into the VAX. No, I'm
not kidding... :D

One of my friends was a senior and when he graduated the following
year, he got a job as a programmer at a startup. He was the first and
only programmer and quickly figured out they could make better progress
if he had some help. He recommended me, a 19 year old geek who loved to write code. I went from making $5/hr twiddling my thumbs in the
computer lab to $6/hr writing code at home in my pajamas. I was in
heaven. I dropped out of college and started my first full-time job.

Five years later, with 5 years of professional C++ experience, I
decided to find a new position. But had no desire to go back to
college. Luckily, I didn't *need* to.

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Re: Re: Working in your field
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Skylar on Wed Apr 17 2024 06:37 am

I'm sure you learned a lot just being around a functional corporate environment - something kids don't learn when all they do is attend classes.

One guy went from bussing tables and working at a convenience store to making $60K in a bizdev role, I got to see him continue his career while I worked there.

I think that happens to a lot of students, even if they do have a job before starting their career work. My first job was at a fast food place before working as a software developer. My first software developer job was at a small startup in the owner's house though.. But I went to a larger corporation after that. I didn't think it was a hard transition.

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Re: Re: Working in your field
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Skylar on Wed Apr 17 2024 06:37 am

My company a few years back participated in an internship program called YearUp. They took kids from commuity colleges and kids working
part-time jobs after high school. Not your usual well-to-do University
kids.

About 20 years after my high school internship, the company that I worked for decided to offer two internship positions for college students studying comp sci. I was team lead and was responsible for giving their assignments and mentoring. Well, the best I could anyway.

Both of them were *extremely* smart, productive, and the whole experience was a great value to the company. I wanted the company to hire both of them. Unfortunately, we had some cutbacks just as the school semester was ending and hiring was not on the table.

But I gave them both good references. ;)

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Re: Re: HAPPY TRANSGENDER DAY
By: Skylar to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 17 2024 06:21 pm

A college buddy and I took C++ the first semester it was offered. We each had already been using C++ for "real world" work. The kind you get paid for.

I swear, at least once per class, one of us would raise our hand and, when Mr Bell called on us, we'd tell him the code he put on the board would not work and explain why.

Neither of us would have made good instructors. But then, neither was Mr Bell. He was literally trying to learn from our textbook so he could teach the class. And doing a lousy job of it!

Wow..
Before I took any C++ classes in college, I was taking some classes from the college's CIS department and took a class in Visual Basic (I don't remember why I chose that one at the time). And this was 2000, and they were teaching VB6.. I remember one day when the teacher said something like, "One of the concepts in programming is object-oriented programming, but I'm not familiar with that, so I'm going to skip that."

On a side note, I later learned C++, and I've rarely used Visual Basic, although I have run into a couple Visual Basic .Net projects in my career.

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RE: Working in your field
BY: poindexter FORTRAN to Skylar on Wed Apr 17 2024 06:37:00

I'm sure you learned a lot just being around a functional corporate environment - something kids don't learn when all they do is attend
classes.

My company a few years back participated in an internship program called YearUp. They took kids from commuity colleges and kids working
part-time jobs after high school. Not your usual well-to-do University
kids.

YearUp taught them basic office etiquette, how to use MS Office apps,
and how to interact in teams and in 1:1 settings, and they'd split time between corporate internship and classwork.

I did 3 cohorts of 2 people each and it gave me great exposure to
working and managing 20-somethings. They were a great experience for me,
and each one of them left the program with a position either at our
company or outside.

One guy went from bussing tables and working at a convenience store to making $60K in a bizdev role, I got to see him continue his career while
I worked there.

that dose seem good. it helps students become integrated with the work space
i currently work at graduate studies at my uni and i am learning things and helpng out. but it is not the same as that amazing program

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RE: Programming
BY: Nightfox to Skylar on Wed Apr 17 2024 19:12:00

Re: Re: HAPPY TRANSGENDER DAY
By: Skylar to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 17 2024 06:21 pm

A college buddy and I took C++ the first semester it was offered. We ea had already been using C++ for "real world" work. The kind you get paid for.

I swear, at least once per class, one of us would raise our hand and, w Mr Bell called on us, we'd tell him the code he put on the board would work and explain why.

Neither of us would have made good instructors. But then, neither was M Bell. He was literally trying to learn from our textbook so he could te the class. And doing a lousy job of it!

Wow..
Before I took any C++ classes in college, I was taking some classes from the college's CIS department and took a class in Visual Basic (I don't remember I chose that one at the time). And this was 2000, and they were teaching VB I remember one day when the teacher said something like, "One of the concept in programming is object-oriented programming, but I'm not familiar with tha so I'm going to skip that."

On a side note, I later learned C++, and I've rarely used Visual Basic, although I have run into a couple Visual Basic .Net projects in my career.

Nightfox

i want to learn C with classes (c++) but damn it they only teach python
i learned C myself also yuck VB!

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Re: Programming
By: Mary4 to Nightfox on Thu Apr 18 2024 01:48 pm

i want to learn C with classes (c++) but damn it they only teach python i learned C myself also yuck VB!

Who is "they"? There are many resources you can use to learn C++.

Nightfox

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Re: Programming
By: Mary4 to Nightfox on Thu Apr 18 2024 01:48 pm

i want to learn C with classes (c++) but damn it they only teach python
i learned C myself also yuck VB!

I just took a college intro to C++ course earlier this year ("for fun"). It's still taught, for sure.
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RE: Programming
BY: Digital Man to Mary4 on Thu Apr 18 2024 15:18:00

I just took a college intro to C++ course earlier this year ("for fun"). It' still taught, for sure.

oh good!

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Re: Re: HAPPY TRANSGENDER DAY
By: Skylar to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 17 2024 06:21 pm

A college buddy and I took C++ the first semester it was offered. We each had already been using C++ for "real world" work. The kind you get paid for.

I swear, at least once per class, one of us would raise our hand and, when Mr Bell called on us, we'd tell him the code he put on the board would not work and explain why.

Neither of us would have made good instructors. But then, neither was Mr Bell. He was literally trying to learn from our textbook so he could teach the class. And doing a lousy job of it!

Wow..
Before I took any C++ classes in college, I was taking some classes from the college's CIS department and took a class in Visual Basic (I don't remember why I chose that one at the time). And this was 2000, and they were teaching VB6.. I remember one day when the teacher said something like, "One of the concepts in programming is object-oriented programming, but I'm not familiar with that, so I'm going to skip that."

On a side note, I later learned C++, and I've rarely used Visual Basic, although I have run into a couple Visual Basic .Net projects in my career.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Programming
By: Weatherman to Nightfox on Fri Apr 19 2024 08:27 am

The last programming language I took a course in was Fortran77.

You have my sincere condolences!

Although one of my all-time favorite BBS experiences was a BBS written in Fortran.

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Re: Re: Programming
By: Weatherman to Nightfox on Fri Apr 19 2024 08:27 am

The last programming language I took a course in was Fortran77.

You have my sincere condolences!

Although one of my all-time favorite BBS experiences was a BBS written
in Fortran.

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I actually enjoyed the experience and found the language to be quite easy to understand. The instructor was more difficult to get along with than the language.

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Although one of my all-time favorite BBS experiences was a BBS written
in Fortran.

Which BBS software was that?


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