I personally am done with London for the next 2-3 years, but my next goal is Manchester/Liverpool if I do visit
England again.

My goal was to finish some of the places I did not visit before such as Brixton, Camden, Canary Warf, Greenwich and I
even tried visiting Richmond (where Ted Lasso was filmed).

Only regrets was not eating some Carribean Food. But I made sure to eat Nandos, Greggs and have some Indian takeaway.


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On 06 May 2024, Utopian Galt said the following...

I personally am done with London for the next 2-3 years, but my next

I've been loath to do much London time for a while. Some is how London has changed and a lot is how I too have changed.

goal is Manchester/Liverpool if I do visit
England again.

Not been to Machester for a long time myself. Lived there for a while as a Grad Student.

Only regrets was not eating some Carribean Food. But I made sure to eat Nandos, Greggs and have some Indian takeaway.

I also always try to take in some Indian food, but also true English fare as well. Fish & Chips is a favorite. A good Sunday Roast at a country pub isn't far behind.

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Re: Re: My trip
By: k9zw to Utopian Galt on Mon May 06 2024 02:22 pm

I also always try to take in some Indian food, but also true English fare as well. Fish & Chips is a favorite. A good Sunday Roast at a country pub isn't far behind.

I'm going in June to London, then Portsmouth to visit my inlaws and the countryside to look for potential villages to retire to. Looking forward to a proper beer, a curry, fish and chips and maybe a pastie somewhere along the line.
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Steak and ale pie was eaten 11 months ago, had some fish and chips in Greenwich last week.
And I was able to hold down my cider :)


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On Mon, 6 May 2024 09:55:12 -0700
"Utopian Galt" (21:4/108) <Utopian.Galt@f108.n4.z21.fidonet> wrote:

I personally am done with London for the next 2-3 years, but my next
goal is Manchester/Liverpool if I do visit England again.

My goal was to finish some of the places I did not visit before such
as Brixton, Camden, Canary Warf, Greenwich and I even tried visiting
Richmond (where Ted Lasso was filmed).

Only regrets was not eating some Carribean Food. But I made sure to
eat Nandos, Greggs and have some Indian takeaway.

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I always enjoy my trips back to the motherland. Love getting on the
tube and then 10-30 minutes and you're where you want to me. No
traffic, no parking...and usually no seat tho!

There's not much left to see of the Brixton riots I'm afraid but it's
well known for its "street art". Not sure why you'd want to do Camden.
Posh area but that's about all. Have you done Leicester Square and
Covent Gardens? Canary Wharf is cool. Much revitalized. Greenwich is
cool too, you can stand on the Prime Meridian. It's quite a hike up to
the observatory but the views of London are unparalleled from up there.

I am so ready to get a decent Indian. They just can't make them
properly here in the US. I find them to be very hit or miss, mostly
miss.

Plenty to do in Liverpool, the Beatles and the Mersey beat sound. The
docks, the Liver Building...Manchester meh...unless you're going for
the clubs.

Have you visited the Computer Museum in Cambridge yet? That's on my
list for this upcoming trip.
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Re: Re: My trip
By: k9zw to Utopian Galt on Mon May 06 2024 02:22 pm

I also always try to take in some Indian food, but also true
English fare as well. Fish & Chips is a favorite. A good Sunday
Roast at a country pub isn't far behind.

I'm going in June to London, then Portsmouth to visit my inlaws and
the countryside to look for potential villages to retire to. Looking
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I was in Portsmouth last year to see Mike and the Mechanics. Just
happened to catch The Beat in Norwich too. Both were excellent shows.

My parents also emigrated to the US so my mother makes my Cornish
pasties so no longing there. They've also got into pork pies too. Fish
& chips is an essential and a Cobra along with the curry. A Sunday
carvery would be pretty nice too. I'm going to be stuffed!
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I also always try to take in some Indian food, but also true English

I've had good and bad experience with restaurants.

I remember I was really wanting Indian one day so my girl friend (wife now) and I went out to a resturant and bought around $100 of food (In 2007) came home to really enjoy some good food. It was so terrible we through the entire thing away.

This kept me from eating indian for years and years. To be honest, I'm not sure I've tried it since. :D

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I'm going in June to London, then Portsmouth to visit my inlaws and
the countryside to look for potential villages to retire to. Looking
forward to a proper beer, a curry, fish and chips and maybe a pastie somewhere along the line. ^^^^^^

Won't you need to go to Wales for a proper one of those? ;)

Michigan's Upper Peninsula has some pretty good ones.




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On 07 May 2024, Blue White said the following...

I'm going in June to London, then Portsmouth to visit my inlaws and
the countryside to look for potential villages to retire to. Looking forward to a proper beer, a curry, fish and chips and maybe a pastie somewhere along the line. ^^^^^^

Won't you need to go to Wales for a proper one of those? ;)

Michigan's Upper Peninsula has some pretty good ones.
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On 07 May 2024, Blue White said the following...

forward to a proper beer, a curry, fish and chips and maybe a pastie

Won't you need to go to Wales for a proper one of those? ;)

Michigan's Upper Peninsula has some pretty good ones.

Thinking that it is Cornwall that is supposed to be pastie renown.

True Yooper Pasties are excellent. Personal preference is Jean-Kays Pasties in Iron Mountain, Michigan.

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Re: Re: My trip
By: Nigel Reed to Utopian Galt on Tue May 07 2024 01:35 am

I am so ready to get a decent Indian. They just can't make them properly here in the US. I find them to be very hit or miss, mostly miss.

Where I am, there are a good number of Indian restaurants that are owned and staffed by people from India.. I'm not sure how much more proper you can get. Though, IMO I feel like it's still hit or miss. There's some restaurants I really like, and some not so much. Maybe it's due to regional differences in recipes from India?

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Re: My trip
By: niter3 to k9zw on Tue May 07 2024 06:19 am

I remember I was really wanting Indian one day so my girl friend (wife now) and I went out to a resturant and bought around $100 of food (In 2007) came home to really enjoy some good food. It was so terrible we threw the entire thing away.

This kept me from eating indian for years and years. To be honest, I'm not sure I've tried it since. :D

I've had some Indian food from some restaurants that's just really spicy with a flavor (or aftertaste?) I didn't really like, but other restaurants where I think the food is very flavorful and delicious. It seems to vary depending on who made it.

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I've had some Indian food from some restaurants that's just really spicy with a flavor (or aftertaste?) I didn't really like, but other
restaurants where I think the food is very flavorful and delicious. It seems to vary depending on who made it.

Agree, I've had good and bad.

couldn't order that kind of food today, kids would refuse to eat it. :>

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I've had some Indian food from some restaurants that's just really spicy with a flavor (or aftertaste?) I didn't really like, but other
restaurants where I think the food is very flavorful and delicious. It seems to vary depending on who made it.

That and the regional variations matter as well.

Often you can find chefs who are not exactly Indian cooking Indian dishes as well.

One chef I like is actually from Bali, and learned her trade initially working cruise ship kitchens.

As she often reminds us, the quality and handling of the spices makes a huge difference to the end product.

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forward to a proper beer, a curry, fish and chips and maybe a pastie somewhere along the line. ^^^^^^

Won't you need to go to Wales for a proper one of those? ;)

I thought you went to Cornwall for a pastie, and Wales for sheep :P

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Where I am, there are a good number of Indian restaurants that are owned and staffed by people from India.. I'm not sure how much more proper you can get. Though, IMO I feel like it's still hit or miss. There's some

There can be a lot of regional difference in Indian dishes. There's also the thing where a lot "curry" is a secret recipe that belongs to a family more or less. So even in the same region the secret herbs and spices can vary wildly.

Originally a standardised curry, was English :) It wasn't neccessarily the
best but they all tended to be pretty similar.

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Won't you need to go to Wales for a proper one of those? ;)

Thinking that it is Cornwall that is supposed to be pastie renown.

True Yooper Pasties are excellent. Personal preference is Jean-Kays
Pasties in Iron Mountain, Michigan.

I think you are correct. Both are known (at least to me) for them, but
it is indeed Cornwall that is famous for them. Miners in both areas used
to pack them into the mines for lunch.

I have had several good ones during my trips there, and to Northern
Wisconsin along the Lake, and a few that were not bad, but so far never a
bad one. ;)

I don't know that I have ever had one but, in parts of the UP, the
pasties supposedly have a "Finnish" touch to them. Not 100% on what that means, other than the ingredients are different.


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Where I am, there are a good number of Indian restaurants that are
owned and staffed by people from India.. I'm not sure how much more
proper you can get. Though, IMO I feel like it's still hit or miss.
There's some restaurants I really like, and some not so much. Maybe
it's due to regional differences in recipes from India?

I have never been to an Indian restaurant that wasn't staffed by persons
from the subcontinent (although I don't know for sure who is in the
kitchen!). You are correct, there can be large differences in the food
based on what region it comes from and also to some extent what religion
they practice.

Some places, even when run by Indians, do "Americanize" their recipes
some, I have been told by my Indian friends and co-workers. I think that
means they are not as spicy and/or the presentation is different.

Before one of my Indian friends moved away to the DC area, I would
sometimes go with him and some of his cousins to a place that they said
was authentic to their area (Hyderabad). The food was always excellent.



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Won't you need to go to Wales for a proper one of those? ;)

I thought you went to Cornwall for a pastie, and Wales for sheep :P

:D I don't know about now but miners in both areas used to pack pasties
into the mines for lunch. I am sure you are correct now that, if you
want to go and by one you are more likely to find them in Cornwall.



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I have had several good ones during my trips there, and to Northern Wisconsin along the Lake, and a few that were not bad, but so far
never a bad one. ;)

There in this context = the UP. ;)



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Re: Re: My trip
By: Blue White to Nightfox on Wed May 08 2024 08:51 am

Some places, even when run by Indians, do "Americanize" their recipes some, I have been told by my Indian friends and co-workers. I think that means they are not as spicy and/or the presentation is different.

Yeah, that's always a possibility. One of my favorite Indian restaurants in the area here has a buffet, with several dishes that I don't think are very spicy, and have a good flavor. And they have a couple of unique dishes they serve sometimes that I don't normally see at other Indian restaurants. Maybe it is a bit Americanized, for all I know. And the restaurant has been around for at least 20 years or so.. And I think the restaurant has changed owners within the past few years; I noticed they've started serving a dish at the buffet that I typically see at Chinese restaurants (I think it was chow mein with noodles), which I thought was a bit out of place there..

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Nightfox wrote to Nigel Reed <=-

Where I am, there are a good number of Indian restaurants that are
owned and staffed by people from India.. I'm not sure how much more proper you can get. Though, IMO I feel like it's still hit or miss. There's some restaurants I really like, and some not so much. Maybe
it's due to regional differences in recipes from India?

I think they cook for their clientele. I live on the coast in
California and had Thai food for the first time since I lived in San
Francisco. My rural/suburban version of Thai was a watered down version
of what I remember.

Hawaii, now there was some killer Thai food.



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On Wed, 8 May 2024 13:45:08 -0500, you wrote:

I have had several good ones during my trips there, and to Northern Wisconsin along the Lake, and a few that were not bad, but so far never a bad one. ;)

Are they called something else in Wisconsin? PastRies maybe? The only 'pasties' I've ever heard of, strippers put over their nipples if they can't go fully nude. :D

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On 08 May 2024, Accession said the following...

On Wed, 8 May 2024 13:45:08 -0500, you wrote:

I have had several good ones during my trips there, and to Northern Wisconsin along the Lake, and a few that were not bad, but so far nev bad one. ;)

Are they called something else in Wisconsin? PastRies maybe? The only 'pasties' I've ever heard of, strippers put over their nipples if they can't go fully nude. :D

ahh a joke of my childhood growing up in Michigan hehe

i used to think their were pronunciation differences.. there may well be, but i can't find evidence of it on wikipedia at least.

*feeling indecent, gonna go cover myself with meat pies*

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On 08 May 2024, Blue White said the following...

Thinking that it is Cornwall that is supposed to be pastie renown.

True Yooper Pasties are excellent. Personal preference is Jean-Kays Pasties in Iron Mountain, Michigan.

I think you are correct. Both are known (at least to me) for them, but
it is indeed Cornwall that is famous for them. Miners in both areas used to pack them into the mines for lunch.

In some areas they do a two-pocket, with a savory side (the meat and potato part) and a sweet side (like a pocket pie).

I have had several good ones during my trips there, and to Northern Wisconsin along the Lake, and a few that were not bad, but so far never a bad one. ;)

You haven't tried enough if you haven't hit some best shared with the dogs than actually eaten.

I don't know that I have ever had one but, in parts of the UP, the
pasties supposedly have a "Finnish" touch to them. Not 100% on what that means, other than the ingredients are different.

UPers talk traditional, Italian style and Finish style. What "traditional" means is anyone's guess, as far a history tells us there is no pre-immigrant pastie culture in the UP.

The other two seem more about the spicing.

I forget the name of the rather spicy sausage filled Italian ones - they have some zip to them.

Biggest deal seemes to be whether you wants yours "with" or "without" - which is whether they have rutabagas (swedes in euro-speak) in the mix.

I always go for "with" myself, but it is a personal taste thing and you don't get shunned if you are a "without" person.

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On 08 May 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Nightfox wrote to Nigel Reed <=-

Hawaii, now there was some killer Thai food.

I've had passible Thai in Greenland

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On Wed, 8 May 2024 22:29:54 -0400, you wrote:

i used to think their were pronunciation differences.. there may well
be, but i can't find evidence of it on wikipedia at least.

I just looked it up after I wrote that, and found it. They're definitely called meat pies in southern Wisconsin. Must be some yooper lingo, although, they damn well know what the other version of a pastie is too.

*feeling indecent, gonna go cover myself with meat pies*

Ah hah! Now I have evidence. ;)

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Blue White wrote to k9zw <=-

I don't know that I have ever had one but, in parts of the UP, the
pasties supposedly have a "Finnish" touch to them. Not 100% on what
that means, other than the ingredients are different.

Like most foods of that time, they used what was available in their area.

Over time, people wanted to have ones "like mom used to make" and so kept the same ingredients.


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Are they called something else in Wisconsin? PastRies maybe? The only 'pasties' I've ever heard of, strippers put over their nipples if they
can't go fully nude. :D

No, but they are not pronounced the same as the nipple covers. They are pronounced PAH-stees instead of PAY-stees. ;)



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pronounced PAH-stees instead of PAY-stees. ;)

They're generally Pah-stees here, occasionally you'll hear some knob trying
to call them past-ees though, with a short a...

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pronounced PAH-stees instead of PAY-stees. ;)

They're generally Pah-stees here, occasionally you'll hear some knob
trying to call them past-ees though, with a short a...

I have also heard them pronounced that way. Maybe "past-ee" means it is
past its sell-by date. :D



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I have also heard them pronounced that way. Maybe "past-ee" means it is past its sell-by date. :D

Its on its way to ff..


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