• I don't mow the lawn anymore

    From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Tue Nov 10 08:24:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 08.11.20 - 14:17, Arelor wrote to Mark Hofmann:

    Farming is one thing I would really enjoy. I joke with
    the wife about diggi up the front yard and planting a
    harvest. The grass is a pain in the ass to keep nice
    anyway, so I'd be fine digging it all up and planting
    veggies, etc

    Or you could, you know, get some horses or goats to take
    care of the grass. I don't mow the lawn anymore :-P


    How much of a spread to you have to work with?

    I have about 120 acres, about a third is wooded.

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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to August Abolins on Wed Nov 11 08:46:10 2020
    How much of a spread to you have to work with?

    I have about 120 acres, about a third is wooded.

    That is awesome! I have always wanted lots of land with the ability to farm, etc. Around here they property tax the hell out of you, but can get around some of it by farming. I have always had lots of interest in that area.

    - Mark

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Wed Nov 11 07:59:00 2020
    Re: I don't mow the lawn anymore
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Tue Nov 10 2020 08:24 am

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 08.11.20 - 14:17, Arelor wrote to Mark Hofmann:

    Farming is one thing I would really enjoy. I joke with
    the wife about diggi up the front yard and planting a
    harvest. The grass is a pain in the ass to keep nice
    anyway, so I'd be fine digging it all up and planting
    veggies, etc

    Or you could, you know, get some horses or goats to take
    care of the grass. I don't mow the lawn anymore :-P


    How much of a spread to you have to work with?

    I have about 120 acres, about a third is wooded.

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    The grass part must be 500 sqms tops. It is not really that big.

    But it scales horizontally. If you have lot of surface you get more horses and goats.
    Like 4 for each hectarea or so depending on the climate.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Mark Hofmann on Wed Nov 11 06:40:00 2020
    Mark Hofmann wrote to August Abolins <=-

    farm, etc. Around here they property tax the hell out of you, but can
    get around some of it by farming.

    Is farmland taxed differently from residential property, or are you
    thinking of offsetting the tax cost by income from farming?



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  • From August Abolins@618:510/1.1 to Arelor on Wed Nov 11 21:09:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Wednesday 11.11.20 - 07:59, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

    The grass part must be 500 sqms tops. It is not really
    that big.

    Did you miss a zero or something? 500 sq m is 1/20th of a
    hectare. That's just a typical town lot around here with a
    backyard. Most rural homes have at least 1 to 3 acres.

    1 acre = approx 4000 sq m.

    1 hectare = 10000 sq m.



    But it scales horizontally. If you have lot of surface
    you get more horses and goats. Like 4 for each hectarea or
    so depending on the climate.

    Not sure what you mean by scales horizontally. Animals =
    machines?

    I envisioned the place for your horses and goats to be nestled
    in a fine Spanish villa with rolling hills and a vineyard to
    spare.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Thu Nov 12 11:07:14 2020
    Re: I don't mow the lawn anymore
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Wed Nov 11 2020 09:09 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Wednesday 11.11.20 - 07:59, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

    The grass part must be 500 sqms tops. It is not really
    that big.

    Did you miss a zero or something? 500 sq m is 1/20th of a
    hectare. That's just a typical town lot around here with a
    backyard. Most rural homes have at least 1 to 3 acres.

    1 acre = approx 4000 sq m.

    1 hectare = 10000 sq m.



    But it scales horizontally. If you have lot of surface
    you get more horses and goats. Like 4 for each hectarea or
    so depending on the climate.

    Not sure what you mean by scales horizontally. Animals =
    machines?

    I envisioned the place for your horses and goats to be nestled
    in a fine Spanish villa with rolling hills and a vineyard to
    spare.

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    Spain is not murica. We rural spaniards don't get to own that much land.

    What I meant by scaling is that if you need to mow more grass you can just keep adding horses. You can have hards up to 60 that are still cohesive.
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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Nov 12 13:08:32 2020
    Is farmland taxed differently from residential property, or are you thinking of offsetting the tax cost by income from farming?

    I don't know the exact details, but do know that if you have a certain amount of land and actively use it for farming (or leasing it out for farming), you get a break on property taxes.

    - Mark

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Mark Hofmann on Thu Nov 12 16:57:36 2020
    Re: Re: I don't mow the lawn anymore
    By: Mark Hofmann to Kurt Weiske on Thu Nov 12 2020 01:08 pm

    Is farmland taxed differently from residential property, or are you thinking of offsetting the tax cost by income from farming?

    I don't know the exact details, but do know that if you have a certain amoun of land and actively use it for farming (or leasing it out for farming), you get a break on property taxes.

    - Mark

    I donç't know about there.

    Here in Spain you get taxed extra if you have something "productive" in your land.

    Got an apple tree? Tomato plants? Even if just a few? If you get discovered you get an automatic tax raise.

    FUCK THIS PLACE
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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Arelor on Fri Nov 13 08:34:21 2020
    I don 't know about there.

    Here in Spain you get taxed extra if you have something "productive" in
    your land.

    Got an apple tree? Tomato plants? Even if just a few? If you get
    discovered you get an automatic tax raise.

    Wow, it is actually a bit the oppostive here. Depending on the location, you get hit with different levels of property tax. Just owning lots of land and not farming on it, you get crushed with taxes.

    I know people that lease out part of their land to farmers just so they can take advantage of the tax savings because otherwise, you can't keep your own land as they tax you right off of it.

    - Mark

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  • From Bob Roberts@618:300/36 to Arelor on Fri Nov 13 10:23:55 2020
    Got an apple tree? Tomato plants? Even if just a few? If you get discovered you get an automatic tax raise.

    I bet you get free healthcare thou. I pay $1,000 a month just to cover myself and my wife. Plus even more fees if we actually need the service.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Mark Hofmann on Fri Nov 13 07:03:00 2020
    Mark Hofmann wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    I don't know the exact details, but do know that if you have a certain amount of land and actively use it for farming (or leasing it out for farming), you get a break on property taxes.

    I've heard people talk about leasing their land out, especially to
    organic farms that want to use land that hasn't been commercially
    farmed. Sounds like a great passive money-maker, and keeps your land
    managed.



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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Bob Roberts on Fri Nov 13 15:46:37 2020
    Re: Re: I don't mow the lawn anymore
    By: Bob Roberts to Arelor on Fri Nov 13 2020 10:23 am

    Got an apple tree? Tomato plants? Even if just a few? If you get discovered you get an automatic tax raise.

    I bet you get free healthcare thou. I pay $1,000 a month just to cover myse and my wife. Plus even more fees if we actually need the service.

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    I get free health care and free employment insurance in theory only.

    I work in private healthcare and we are taking an absolute avalanche of people who wanted to use their gov provided health care and cannot access it, because the system is smoked.

    Also I went to unemployment with the start of the pandemic anddidn't get my unemployment grant untill I was back with a job already, more than 100 days after.

    So honestly I'd rather have them not charge me if that is the sort of crappy service I am gonna get from the government.

    Once again

    FUCK THIS PLACE
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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Nov 14 10:21:28 2020
    I've heard people talk about leasing their land out, especially to
    organic farms that want to use land that hasn't been commercially
    farmed. Sounds like a great passive money-maker, and keeps your land managed.

    There are a few ways to not gets taxed to death on farm property around here. One is sign an agreement with the county that for 100 years you will not sell or develop the land. The other option is farming on it, but there are specific rules there too. A certain percentage of the property must be farmed on.

    That is where some people with large lots lease land to farmers if they don't intend on doing it themselves. They can get income from the farmer and lower property tax assessments.

    No doubt I would go the farm route if I had that type of land. I already told my wife that if we ever go through the pain in the ass of moving again, the property must have at least 10 acres or I'm not interested. I don't want to see another house anywhere near me.

    - Mark

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Sat Nov 14 22:38:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 13.11.20 - 15:46, Arelor wrote to Bob Roberts:


    Also I went to unemployment with the start of the pandemic anddidn't get
    my unemployment grant untill I was back with a job already, more than 100 days after.

    So honestly I'd rather have them not charge me if that is the sort of crappy service I am gonna get from the government.

    That is the gov't system. They establish legality to tax/
    charge you, and then find circumstances to avoid compensating
    you when required. It's the same everywhere.


    Once again

    FUCK THIS PLACE

    It's not the only place. But if you had an opportunity, where
    would you go?


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  • From gallaxial@618:500/30 to Bob Roberts on Fri Nov 13 14:38:02 2020
    On 13 Nov 2020, Bob Roberts said the following...

    Got an apple tree? Tomato plants? Even if just a few? If you get discovered you get an automatic tax raise.

    I bet you get free healthcare thou. I pay $1,000 a month just to cover myselfand my wife. Plus even more fees if we actually need the service.


    Well, Here is Almost free healtcare !

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  • From Bob Roberts@618:300/36 to gallaxial on Mon Dec 7 13:51:22 2020
    I bet you get free healthcare thou. I pay $1,000 a month just to
    cover myselfand my wife. Plus even more fees if we actually need
    the service.

    Well, Here is Almost free healtcare !

    Where do I sign up? Send residency plz.
    Wait... where is "here?"

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