Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 31.12.20 - 08:18, Arelor wrote to Nelgin:

Also I'd prefer not to share my infinite money with tech
giants. If I wanted to _buy_ a solution, I'd rather hire
somebody to hack something together instead of purchasing a
premade appliance from a tech giant.

>> They will just buy gear from a tech giant, add %20 and then
>> charge you ex for the privilege.

Not really

When somebody hires me to hack something together I usually dig into a dumpster or buy some used stuff for 5 bucks.

That's even better. Just add 300% for doing it. ;) Good ol'
capitalisim.

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Hello Nelgin!

** On Wednesday 30.12.20 - 13:52, Nelgin wrote to Kurt Weiske:

When I had a new roof put on, I had them run a cable for me
from where the TV is in the living room to where the router
lives in my office so I don't have to deal with weak network
connectivity between the two. Unfortunately it was only CAT5
and not CAT6. Maybe next time I get the roof done, I'll rerun
a new cable.

Is it a complex run above the ceiling? Is the cable "secured" or
tied down enroute? If it isn't tied down, why not just thread/tie
one of the new CAT6 to the old CAT5 and pull the old CAT5 out the
other end?
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Sorry, you may have had some trouble getting through earlier today. I was upgrading synchronet (from the old CVS method to the new git method) and it took quite a bit longer than expected. Had to take the system down while I
did it as the directory structure changed some.

Should be easier in future, though!

Mike


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Hello Mike!

** On Thursday 31.12.20 - 15:34, Mike Powell wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

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Sorry, you may have had some trouble getting through earlier today. I
was upgrading synchronet..

No explanation required. I assumed that maybe some system maint
could have been going on.

Should be easier in future, though!

The situation encouraged me to figure out how I can redirect my
outbound to the other Micronet boss system.

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August wrote:

Hello Nelgin!

** On Wednesday 30.12.20 - 13:52, Nelgin wrote to Kurt Weiske:

When I had a new roof put on, I had them run a cable for me
from where the TV is in the living room to where the router
lives in my office so I don't have to deal with weak network
connectivity between the two. Unfortunately it was only CAT5
and not CAT6. Maybe next time I get the roof done, I'll rerun
a new cable.

Is it a complex run above the ceiling? Is the cable "secured" or
tied down enroute? If it isn't tied down, why not just thread/tie
one of the new CAT6 to the old CAT5 and pull the old CAT5 out the
other end?

I considered it but I'm not sure the route it took and don't want to risk losing both ends in the attic for some reason.

Actually, I'm getting new furniture and probably going to move the TV across the room so it'll actually be closer to the router and I wouldn't really be able to run a cable since I have wood floors and no carpet. I can't put it behind the quarter rounds because I already have audio cable buried under those.
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Hello Nelgin!

** On Friday 01.01.21 - 00:46, Nelgin wrote to August Abolins:

Actually, I'm getting new furniture and probably going to
move the TV across the room so it'll actually be closer to
the router and I wouldn't really be able to run a cable since
I have wood floors and no carpet. I can't put it behind the
quarter rounds because I already have audio cable buried
under those.

Then.. why not try one of those wall-plug-based extenders:
powerline network adaptors. They use the house electrical wiring
to extend your network.


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Should be easier in future, though!

The situation encouraged me to figure out how I can redirect my
outbound to the other Micronet boss system.

Good deal. If you ever want to point dovenet from here, let me know.

Mike


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Then.. why not try one of those wall-plug-based extenders:
powerline network adaptors. They use the house electrical wiring
to extend your network.

Another option is MOCA, which allows you to use the COAX which may already be in your home as Ethernet. MOCA 2.0 media converters support up to a gigabit, and are around $100 a pair. It introduces about 4ms of lag. Not too bad.

I just looked on Amazon and they now have a MOCA 2.5 adaptor which supports 2.5 gigabit. Freaking Sweet! $199 a pair.

Bob Roberts
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Hello Bob!

** On Friday 01.01.21 - 11:48, Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins:

Then.. why not try one of those wall-plug-based extenders:
powerline network adaptors. They use the house electrical
wiring to extend your network.

Another option is MOCA, which allows you to use the COAX
which may already be in your home as Ethernet. MOCA 2.0
media converters support up to a gigabit, and are around
$100 a pair. It introduces about 4ms of lag. Not too bad.

In Nelgin's case, he needs an alterative to wiring.

I find it totally amazing how clever engineers can be and develop
wonderful solutions like MOCA and powerline adaptors to solve
ethernet extension problems.

I just looked on Amazon and they now have a MOCA 2.5 adaptor which supports 2.5 gigabit. Freaking Sweet! $199 a pair.

Much cheaper and faster than rewiring everything!

I used 300 ohm antenna wire to provide speaker extensions in my
house to different rooms - while the house was being built -
before the final flooring was applied.

We also laid down 300 ohm antenna wire to extend the TV feed to
two "potential" rooms. I regret that we didn't do that for ALL
the bedrooms back then. :( Coax options for TVs came along a
few years later.

But what a difference 25+ years can make. Now, cabling isn't even
necessary for either Tv or audio equipment. However, I'd love to
take advantage of the fiber (ToSlink)? that my TV offers and the
matching connection that my legacy receiver provides so that I
can attach dedicated speakers for the tv when watching films or
music performances.


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Hello Nelgin!

** On Thursday 31.12.20 - 20:48, Nelgin wrote to August Abolins:

I considered the same CD->MP3 project too, until I
calculated just how much time it would take and the extra
HDD/SDD expense (and the resources for backups) that it
would require to store the rips of over 2000 CDs

Just use something like Soulseek and download them rather
than rip them.

I looked into Soulseek. I don't think it's for me. Sounds like
users can block other users too easily and impose arbitrary
upload requirements.

I used to use WinMX (over dialup internet!). It had a beautiful
dark blue UI and many features. It also permitted blocking
certain users, but generally I found everything I wanted 95% of
the time, and no one bothered anyone unnecessarily.

I was in mp3 withdrawal when WinMX got infiltrated by fakes,
honeypots and punks intended to make things difficult.

Spotify is a much easier route, and there is no guilty
conscience. A bonus with SPotify is that it does a really good
job in new recommendations. I've discovered some wonderful tunes.
It is confirmation that my music tastes are pretty good! ;)

I also scout for music releases that are briefly made public and
available for download by an artist or producer directly. Those
I can make portable much easier and add to my devices or make
into a playable disc.
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August Abolins wrote to Nelgin <=-

Then.. why not try one of those wall-plug-based extenders:
powerline network adaptors. They use the house electrical wiring
to extend your network.

They work great if you have one breaker box in the house. I have the BBS and the cable modem on one breaker and get 100+ mbps. My office is on a second box, and I get around 40 mbps and have to reset my adapter every couple of weeks.


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Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins <=-

I just looked on Amazon and they now have a MOCA 2.5 adaptor which supports 2.5 gigabit. Freaking Sweet! $199 a pair.

Do you have any insight into how to get MOCA working when you have Comcast modems and digital boxes? Rumor has it that Comcast uses MOCA to connect
their digital streaming extension boxes to the main DVR, and that multiple MOCA networks won't run on the same wire.

I'd love to be able to configure a MOCA device to talk directly to the
Comcast modem to extend the IP network to another floor, or use them in a
pair like powerline adapters.

Then again, it might be cheaper to have my cable guy pull a Cat 6 between
the two spaces. Seeing as I'll be working from home for a good part of 2021, it might be worth it.


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Do you have any insight into how to get MOCA working when you have Comcast
modems and digital boxes? Rumor has it that Comcast uses MOCA to connect their digital streaming extension boxes to the main DVR, and that multiple
MOCA networks won't run on the same wire.

I'm not too sure about how Comcast equiptment does it. I have ATT fiber and stream all my TV. I've found that DSLReports (Broadband Reports) Forums are an excellent source of this type of info. I seem to remember there were two competing IP over Coax technologies for homes. Depending on how your coax is routed and split sometimes you can isolate segments of it.

I'd love to be able to configure a MOCA device to talk directly to the Comcast modem to extend the IP network to another floor, or use them in a pair like powerline adapters.

Does your comcast modem use Coax to feed video to your cable boxes? Is it a whole-home-DVR type situation?

Bob Roberts
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On 02 Jan 2021, Bob Roberts said the following...

I seem to remember there were two competing IP over Coax technologies for BR> homes. Depending on how your coax is routed and split sometimes you can BR> isolate segments of it.

We're the second owners of the home we're in now, it was built in ~2007.

The original builder (for this whole neighbourhood) had the local cable provider come in to run coax, cat3 (for phone) and cat5e to each bedroom, only coax in the living rooms and one cat3 in the kitchen for some reason.

I like how they ran the cables, everything is its own run and terminates in
the basement near the breaker panel. For the coax, they all go to a splitter that's fed from a coax coming in from the street. This sounds like it would be easy to add a MOCA adapter if I wanted a 2nd network connection in any of the bedrooms.

When I moved in it was easy to add a few extra cat6 drops to the 1st floor as the basement is unfinished, but all of the original runs are stapled in the wall so it's not exactly easy to use that cable to pull 2 or 3 more.

Jay

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Bob Roberts wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Does your comcast modem use Coax to feed video to your cable boxes? Is
it a whole-home-DVR type situation?

Cable comes into my house, and at the main location we have a splitter. One cable line goes to the cable/voice modem, the other to the DVR. I have
remote digital boxes connected to other TVs that can communicate via MOCA/Cable with the DVR, and play content saved on the main DVR.


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The original builder (for this whole neighbourhood) had the local cable provider come in to run coax, cat3 (for phone) and cat5e to each bedroom, only coax in the living rooms and one cat3 in the kitchen for some reason.

Everyone wants a landline in their Kitchen! :-)

I like how they ran the cables, everything is its own run and terminates in the basement near the breaker panel. For the coax, they all go to a splitter that's fed from a coax coming in from the street. This sounds like it would be easy to add a MOCA adapter if I wanted a 2nd network connection in any of the bedrooms.

This is pretty much how my house was wired, except everything is a homerun to a box in the Master Closet. I'm able to disconnect or link the various coax running to rooms from there. There is a bit of Ethernet, but not going to every room (I want to smack whoever made that decision). I have a switch in the master closet which feeds the Ethernet off the router, and also feeds a MOCA adaptor which I use as primary connectivity to my office where my desktop is. I started with the original MOCA spec, that was only around 250 mbit, but have since updated the adaptors to the gigabit spec (MOCA 2.0) which works nicely. One of the adapters died about about 4 years, but it was an easy replacement.

Bob Roberts
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Cable comes into my house, and at the main location we have a splitter. One cable line goes to the cable/voice modem, the other to the DVR. I have remote digital boxes connected to other TVs that can communicate via MOCA/Cable with the DVR, and play content saved on the main DVR.

It sounds like Comcast uses MOCA, but a different frequency then standard, so it can live with regular MOCA on the same line.... at least according to this reddit post. Most Comcast people seem to be using the Motorla MM1000 which allows you to set the MoCA band. My adaptors are Actiontec, and I haven't had to deal with band issues.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/cokcnd/moca_network_and_xfinit y_dvr/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Comcast_Xfinity/comments/8setu4/having_trouble_getting _my_motorola_mm1000_moca/

Bob Roberts
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Hello Bob!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 10:10, Bob Roberts wrote to Warpslide:

Buying CDRs in bulk from strange internet sites that got
them direct from Tokyo where the best ones were made.
Verbatium blue bottoms were my prize. Then spindles started
showing up at best buy. "50 CDRWs for $16! But they are
cheap ones. I'll get them anyways for dumb stuff, but I'll
keep my Verbatium blue bottoms for important things."
Buying big stacks of jewel cases and snapping them together.
I still have some spindles I never used. I bet they are
long rotted. I probably have a thousand CDRs in stacks
that are all useless now.

I've read that the writeable DVDs were more prone to "rot" than
CD-Rs.

My CD-R collections from the early 2000s still play quite well
[as long as I didn't try to maximize the 80min capacity close to
79:59] ;) Later, I learned about the blue ones too, and stuck
to those.

When I encountered CD-RWs I thought I had the ultimate solution
for making my MP3 or audio discs. But most of those simply
refused to burn after a handful erasures.

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Hello Bob!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 10:10, Bob Roberts wrote to Warpslide:

This became less of an issue once my sister and I had our
own Columbia House subscriptions and could get our own CDs.

...Remember the sticker sheets the would email, and you
could get 10 CD's for a penny, but only if you bought 5 more
at full price in a year? I would sit there are carefully
tear off the ones I wanted, trying to figure out what the
best 10 would be, prioritizing them. After you signed up
waiting waiting for that folded cardboard box with the stack
of CDs. So exciting! Then they would mail you a card and
you'd have to decline whatever garbage they wanted to send
you.

There was a science to that madness. And yes, it was always
exciting to unpack the delivery.

Even after buying the obligatory purchases at full price, the
overall payout for the 15 discs was pretty cheap. After that
fulfillment, I would just cancel - immediatlely.

I was in a Science Fiction book club that operated the same way. The books were all hard covers, but they were specially printed for the club and you could tell from the size they were "club editions" so the used book shop wouldn't give as much in trade for them.

Rightly so. Those printings were often made on inferior quality
paper and ink.

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When I encountered CD-RWs I thought I had the ultimate solution
for making my MP3 or audio discs. But most of those simply
refused to burn after a handful erasures.

I never got into the Rewritables. By the time they were affordable, CDRs were so dirt cheap it was easier to just junk the old CDR and burn a new one.

I've read that the writeable DVDs were more prone to "rot" than
CD-Rs.

I hope you're right. One day I'll dig them out and see whats going on.

Bob Roberts
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Hello Bob!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 11:18, Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins:

When I encountered CD-RWs I thought I had the ultimate
solution..

I never got into the Rewritables. By the time they were
affordable, CDRs were so dirt cheap it was easier to just
junk the old CDR and burn a new one.

For me, it was a the cool factor of erasing and reusing them!

However, my home 5-disc player wouldn't support the CD-RW AUDIO
variety. I could only use those in the car's MP3/WMA/AUDIO
player. That was fine for a while, but then I missed playing
those collections in the house. But making an extra copy from the
CD-RW onto CD-R was ok.


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Hello Bob!

** On Saturday 02.01.21 - 10:39, Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins:

My 2000+ collection acts almost like that now! I have piles..

I do miss being able to sit cross legged on the floor and look at all the CD's on the shelf, resorting ones that had been replaced incorrectly, and "remembering" CDs I had long forgotten.

Just being able to sit cross-legged might be enough to achieve
for anyone over 50. LOL

But, I too spent many a time on the floor, cross-legged or not,
perusing my collections.

There was one design of CD-storage that I thought was ingeneous.
A canadian invention, btw. They were called FULL-VU DISC
storage system, model FV-20. You could see the full front and
back and edges of the CDs, and the units were stackable. I have
3 of them, and regret that I didn't get more. Google can't seem
to find those.

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Hello Bob!

** On Saturday 02.01.21 - 10:37, Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins:

One day, I would like to dedicate an old laptop as the Spotify
server with collections that I have pulled for offline play
(Spotify allows this). And when I want new music for offline
play, simply take the laptop with me to my DSL service at the
shop in town.

Just wanted to note you could do this with a phone or tablet as well,
both allow you to cache offline spotify libraries.

I *do* have Spotify on my phone, a Blackberry Q10. It plays well.
But the problem would be to [1] send the audio to the home stereo
system, and [2] operate for more than 5 hours at a time before
needing to change the battery. I can't keep the phone on AC/
charger because the USB port is broken.

A tablet could work better (being plugged into AC all the time),
but I don't have a tablet, and I don't really want to yet acquire
more tech.

I have a fine T40 Thinkpad that would work perfectly - it would
sit nicely next to the main system without too much trouble
(compared to a large noisy desktop), and I just have to replace
the fan so that it can boot up properly.

I am really looking forward to try that home-server solution. You
can even control the output of the stream to another device. I
could then hopefully control the play from my phone and only need
to stay connected to the internet long enough to select my
playlist, and then disable internet and enjoy the tunes stored
"offline" on the T40.

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On 03 Jan 2021, Bob Roberts said the following...

I was just thinking about this last night! Remember the sticker sheets thewould email, and you could get 10 CD's for a penny, but only if you bought 5more at full price in a year?

I actually forgot about the sticker sheets! I think that's how I first signed up, though I can't remember where I got them. Maybe from the newspaper my parents would always buy?

After you signed up waiting waiting for that folded cardboard box withthe BR> stack of CDs. So exciting!

Yes! It was funny (or not) when we'd come home from school & check the mailbox at the end of our driveway. If there was only one box in there from Columbia House I always hoped it was mine.

Then they would mail you a card and you'd haveto decline whatever garbage BR> they wanted to send you.

I forgot about that as well: "Do nothing and automatically receive this album" - More times than not I remember not wanting those or never hearing of that album/artist.

I recall scouring the internet for CDRW specs, trying to find the best drivewhich could rip fast and with accuracy, while also writing all the various formats.

My first burner was an external HP 1x burner that attached to a parallel port. You had to put the CDs in a caddy and then that caddy into the burner.

It was reliable for the most part, I didn't have a lot of failed discs, though I did have some. Which did sting back then when they did fail as discs were about $5 /ea.

It was so exiciting to make the jump from 4x to 8x writing. Then pretty BR> soon you have 24x.

Yup, my second burner was an internal 8x burner, no caddy required. I think by then I was able to buy 10 packs of writable discs.

I still have some spindles I never used. I bet theyare long rotted. I BR> probably have a thousand CDRs in stacks that are alluseless now.

I still have a few writable discs upstairs in a spindle, haven't touched them in years. Like you said, I'm not sure if they'd even work anymore as they're so old.

I do also have a silver CDRW up there, no idea what's on it, it'd be interesting to check and then see if I can still erase it. Though the last time I used discs there was a drive built into my laptop. I'd have to use my USB burner now.


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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 13:07, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

To this day (10 years later), I still haven't found a few of the
correct cases for the CDs that I'd like to put away properly.
But thankfully, it is just a few.

I don't use original CDs in the car. I don't want them to get damaged due to cold or heat. I just clone the CD and have a collection of copies in
the car.

Actually, the originals are more durable against cold and heat
than the copies. But, I like the idea that the originals are safe
and stored and sorted better than a casual pile in the car.

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However, my home 5-disc player wouldn't support the CD-RW AUDIO
variety. I could only use those in the car's MP3/WMA/AUDIO
player. That was fine for a while, but then I missed playing
those collections in the house. But making an extra copy from the
CD-RW onto CD-R was ok.

Those were the best. When I got a CD player in my car that could play a data disc of MP3s, I would burn big collections, organized by folder, and be able to play almost anything in the car.

Later we had a car with a hard drive in it somewhere, you could insert a Music disc and it would "rip" it to the internal hard drive. It was too slow to rip thou and we never really used it. The current car doesn't even have a CD player. It just has Bluetooth so you can stream off your phone to the stereo... plus Car Play / Android Audio.

Bob Roberts
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My first burner was an external HP 1x burner that attached to a parallel port. You had to put the CDs
in a caddy and then that caddy into the burner.

It was reliable for the most part, I didn't have a lot of failed discs, though I did have some. Which
did sting back then when they did fail as discs were about $5 /ea.

I never had an external writer. I think my first burner was an Internal SCSI drive, with a caddy as well. I think I got SCSI because there was less chance of the dreaded "buffer underrun" which would stop burning and ruin your disc in progress.

Bob Roberts
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August wrote:

Hello Bob!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 10:10, Bob Roberts wrote to Warpslide:

Buying CDRs in bulk from strange internet sites that got
them direct from Tokyo where the best ones were made.
Verbatium blue bottoms were my prize. Then spindles started
showing up at best buy. "50 CDRWs for $16! But they are
cheap ones. I'll get them anyways for dumb stuff, but I'll
keep my Verbatium blue bottoms for important things."
Buying big stacks of jewel cases and snapping them together.
I still have some spindles I never used. I bet they are
long rotted. I probably have a thousand CDRs in stacks
that are all useless now.

I've read that the writeable DVDs were more prone to "rot" than
CD-Rs.

My CD-R collections from the early 2000s still play quite well
[as long as I didn't try to maximize the 80min capacity close to
79:59] ;) Later, I learned about the blue ones too, and stuck
to those.

When I encountered CD-RWs I thought I had the ultimate solution
for making my MP3 or audio discs. But most of those simply
refused to burn after a handful erasures.

I got a bluray burner with the idea that I can back my Windows system up from time to time. Then I realized the cost of the disks (50 pack of 25GB Bdr discs at $51.99) would equal about 1.25tb of space. I can get a 12TB external USB drive for $200. Burning discs just isn't time and cost efficient.
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Hello Bob!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 15:23, Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins:

..I could only use those in the car's MP3/WMA/AUDIO
player..

Those were the best. When I got a CD player in my car that could play a data disc of MP3s, I would burn big collections, organized by folder, and be able to play almost anything in the car.

When I realized that I could build a rather large selection of
music on an MP3 disc, I rarely needed to switch discs.

I could just pick a folder I wanted and play sequentially from
there, or switch to RANDom and have a pleasant surprise.

Later we had a car with a hard drive in it somewhere, you could insert a Music disc and it would "rip" it to the internal hard drive. It was too slow to rip thou and we never really used it.

I have never heard of a car maker offering onboard hdd for music
purposes.

The current car doesn't even have a CD player. It just has
Bluetooth so you can stream off your phone to the stereo...
plus Car Play / Android Audio.

Before acquiring a vehicle that had a decent MP3-capable player,
I tried the FM-transmitter method. It wasn't bad for podcasts,
but it was very poor quality for music. Some engine noise/static
was always present.

Later, I found an audio port in the center console storage unit
to which I could feed the audio-out from my iPod that was plugged
and powered by the cigarette lighter. Switching the radio to AUX-
IN produced very nice results.

Before acquiring the said same vehicle above, a previous vehicle
just had a CD-player, but music always skipped every time I made
a left turn. Arghhhhh! It was rectified at the next service
call, but I had to live with it for months prior.
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Hello Nelgin!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 18:02, Nelgin wrote to August Abolins:

When I encountered CD-RWs I thought I had the ultimate
solution for making my MP3 or audio discs. But most of those
simply refused to burn after a handful erasures.

I got a bluray burner with the idea that I can back my
Windows system up from time to time. Then I realized the cost
of the disks (50 pack of 25GB Bdr discs at $51.99) would
equal about 1.25tb of space. I can get a 12TB external USB
drive for $200. Burning discs just isn't time and cost
efficient.

I had imagined backing up key file collections to blu-ray too.
But the inexpensive SD cards and even just the external 3.5"
250GB HDDs seemed more practical.

I see a 10pk of 50GB Verbatims blu-ray RWs going for $58.

I would just reserve to use those for movies that exceed 4GB FAT
file size barrier and that I would want to be somewhat durable
and erasable. Meanwhile, a couple of 64GB USB thumbdrives have
been just fine for most everything I watch.
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August wrote:

I would just reserve to use those for movies that exceed 4GB FAT
file size barrier and that I would want to be somewhat durable
and erasable. Meanwhile, a couple of 64GB USB thumbdrives have
been just fine for most everything I watch.

My Linux box has an LV with 4 x cheap 4TB hard drives in a RAID 10 configuration so I have plenty of storage for my movies and CDs. I have a 6TB drive to which I rsync on a regular basis /etc /home (which are on a mirrored pair of 250GB SSD drives) and everything else on the hard drives. With plenty of space left over to keep individual files that may be of importance. So I have the peace of mind of mirrored copies plus a local backup. I do need to setup my remote backup again for critial files. I don't consider 2GB of movies and music to be critical, I can get those back. It's mostly documents and photos.
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August Abolins wrote to Bob Roberts <=-

I have never heard of a car maker offering onboard hdd for music
purposes.

I can confirm this was done in the dodge caravan. BIL's 2012 supports
it and so does one of the taxi's I drive.

The current car doesn't even have a CD player. It just has
Bluetooth so you can stream off your phone to the stereo...
plus Car Play / Android Audio.

Andrea's accent accepts a USB stick and she loves that as she can
copy songs / create playlists at home on her laptop and pop it into
the car and select what she wants.

I tried the FM-transmitter method. It wasn't bad for podcasts,
but it was very poor quality for music. Some engine noise/static
was always present.

I have a very good FM transmitter from China that comes with a
switch "Do not use this switch if in usa/canada" that of course I flipped
seems to give it so much power that I'm my own radio station. LOL

My car is so old is has a cassette player not a CD player. ;)

Shawn

... Calling me wrong does not make you right.

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Hello Tiny!

** On Monday 04.01.21 - 12:28, Tiny wrote to August Abolins:

Andrea's accent accepts a USB stick and she loves that as she can
copy songs / create playlists at home on her laptop and pop it into
the car and select what she wants.

I think a previous model of my truck had that. I had one of the
CreativeLabs MuVo players. It came with two coloured cases/
shells. You could play music independently, or slide the player
off the "case/shell" and simply use it as a USB drive. I did the
latter when I wanted to continue to hear music in the car.
Storing music onto it was an easy drag and drop with the
computer: no special app (like iTunes) required.

I tried the FM-transmitter method. It wasn't bad for podcasts..

I have a very good FM transmitter from China that comes with a
switch "Do not use this switch if in usa/canada" that of course I
flipped seems to give it so much power that I'm my own radio station.
LOL

That is interesting, and funny.

My car is so old is has a cassette player not a CD player. ;)

I remember you mentioning that.

I had a fellow drop into my shop on Saturday, and we talked about
cassette players and 8-track. He was a collector of those things
and the tapes that go along with it.

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Hello Nelgin!

** On Monday 04.01.21 - 01:47, Nelgin wrote to August Abolins:

Gmail calls those things "labels". You create a label, and
then assign any emails you want to that label. It's
effectively a folder. The benefit is that those newly
labelled messages will then not clutter your standard Inbox.

Under my INBOX I have a list of folders for each year with critical emails I want to keep so
INBOX
2013
2014
2015

etc...

Excellent. Then, that is pretty good!

I can create text labels. I don't know why you are limited to
just numbering them.

Yes, I know how they work, but you cannot change the order from alphabetical unless you use a numbering system in certain circumstances.

I use a similar trick in Outlook (standalone, not cloud). I
prefix important folders with my AA initials:

AA - orders
AA - pending
AA - SOs by email

...and then those sit at the top of the usual folders.

The UNSEND feature is pretty cool.

Only for upto 30 seconds it is, and then it isn't.

That is true. And you hope that there isn't too much latency in
the connection when you realize you need to use it at the 25sec
point. :D But I haven't needed to use it. I don't use gmail
very much at all. If I had to use Gmail exclusively, I would try
to configure to "NOT send immediately" - as I have it configured
like that with Outlook. That has saved me from plenty of
embarrassment.

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Hello Nelgin!

** On Monday 04.01.21 - 01:42, Nelgin wrote to August Abolins:

August wrote:

I would just reserve to use those for movies that exceed 4GB FAT
file size barrier and that I would want to be somewhat durable
and erasable. Meanwhile, a couple of 64GB USB thumbdrives have
been just fine for most everything I watch.

My Linux box has an LV with 4 x cheap 4TB hard drives in a RAID 10 configuration so I have plenty of storage for my movies and CDs. I have a 6TB drive to which I rsync on a regular basis /etc /home (which are on a mirrored pair of 250GB SSD drives) and everything else on the hard drives. With plenty of space left over to keep individual files that may be of importance. So I have the peace of mind of mirrored copies plus a local backup. I do need to setup my remote backup again for critial files. I don't consider 2GB of movies and music to be critical, I can get those back. It's mostly documents and photos.

THAT is an amazing storage capacity that you sport. You could
probably lease offline storage services! LOL

The largest storage device I have is the barely 1TB SDD on a
recent (yet purchased used) Thinkpad T540p, which I don't use
very much.

I have a couple of satellite HDDs hanging off an older laptop at
my shop. Together, they are barely 300GB, and almost full.

My main pc is a desktop, with about 220GB hdd, and only about
12GB free. :(

I don't remember the last time I did any kind of image backup.

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On 04 Jan 2021, Nelgin said the following...

My Linux box has an LV with 4 x cheap 4TB hard drives in a RAID 10 configuration so I have plenty of storage for my movies and CDs.

I have a similar setup with a Drobo NAS. It has 5x 4TB WD Red drives in it along with an mSATA 256GB SSD for acceleration. We've used 7.65TB of it so far and have 6.7TB free.

We have it setup with single disk redundancy (RAID5), but could turn on dual disk redundancy if we felt we needed it (RAID6). It'll alert us if any of the drives ever fail.

We store mostly media on it, but also have a 1TB TimeMachine compatible share for backing up the Mac. I also use Arq backup on Windows to back my laptop up to the NAS and have another job in Arq to backup My Documents to the cloud as well. (Arq backups can be encrypted, so I don't have to worry about people in the cloud snooping on my totally boring & unimportant documents).

I also have my BBS setup to backup to the NAS nightly as well with tar & 7zip.

I don't consider 2GB of movies and music to be critical, I can get
those back. It's mostly documents and photos.

Same here, any of our movies & TV shows we can always get again. A lot of them are purchased from iTunes and then we strip the DRM off & store them on the NAS. Others are DVD rips of TV shows & other movies. I mean, it would suck having to do all of that again, but it's not the end of the world.


Jay

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AUGUST ABOLINS wrote to NELGIN <=-

Spotify is a much easier route, and there is no guilty
conscience. A bonus with SPotify is that it does a really good

Spotify is a great choice. I was a big fan/user of Google Play Music
for a long time, and loved their service not only for streaming stuff I
didn't have, but I could upload my whole collection and have everything available for streaming. But Google Music became Youtube Music and I
just could not get into it. So I switched to Spotify.

Spotify's desktop client will play locally stored MP3s (but the
interface sucks for this purpose unless you create playlists

I also have a fairly highend portable player that I can play spotify on
and also load mp3s that Spotify doesn't have on the player.

These options along with some very good quality In Ear Monitors has
changed my listening habits a lot! But I still miss sitting down on the
floor and reading album covers while listening :)

Kev


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Hello Kevin!

** On Monday 04.01.21 - 16:45, Kevin Nunn wrote to August Abolins:

AUGUST ABOLINS wrote to NELGIN <=-

Spotify is a great choice. I was a big fan/user of Google
Play Music for a long time, and loved their service not only
for streaming stuff I didn't have, but I could upload my
whole collection and have everything available for
streaming. But Google Music became Youtube Music and I just
could not get into it. So I switched to Spotify.

iTunes offered an interesting "uploads" option. (Not sure if they
still do) ..but you could upload a basic quality .mp3 version of
anything you had, and they would replace it with a higher quality
version. Then you could stream that anywhere you wanted.

I pondered about that, and decided not to bother.

Spotify's desktop client will play locally stored MP3s (but the
interface sucks for this purpose unless you create playlists

Yes.. you need to create a playlist before you can do fancy
things like sorting and random play, I think. I don't use it to
play the local files. I would use iTunes' player instead. Infact,
I haven't been playing any of my local files because the new
music discovery with Spotify is so much more fun.

These options along with some very good quality In Ear Monitors has changed my listening habits a lot! But I still miss sitting down on the floor and reading album covers while listening :)

Well.. what precludes you to buy vinyl and relive those times?!
;) Apparently, vinyl has a sort of comeback in the last few
years. But the prices of $20+ is a bit steep, I would think.

But I'd love to play some old LPs. But I just really need a new
cartridge. The last one has certainly exceeded 200 hrs play -
which is the number of hours they say is about right when to
replace the cartrige/needle.

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iTunes offered an interesting "uploads" option. (Not sure if they
still do) ..but you could upload a basic quality .mp3 version of
anything you had, and they would replace it with a higher quality version. Then you could stream that anywhere you wanted.

It's called iTunes Match, and it costs $25/year if you don't have an Apple Music subscription. But if you do it's included... not sure if there is much of a point to it anymore... in this age of streaming music.

Bob Roberts
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Hello Bob!

** On Monday 04.01.21 - 19:25, Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins:

It's called iTunes Match, and it costs $25/year if you don't have an
Apple Music subscription. But if you do it's included... not sure if there is much of a point to it anymore... in this age of streaming music.

$25/yr sounds reasonable for getting better versions of your own
tracks, and to have the ability to stream the result from up to
10 devices. It could be handy for people who initially ripped
their CDs at 128Kbps, and nolonger have the original CDs. Match
would feed a better quality version.

*Why* would anyone need "up to 10 devices" is boggling to me.

It would seem far more entertaining to stream music from a vastly
larger catalog from which you can discover new stuff.

And unlike Match or Apple Music, Spotify offers an offline option
for anything in the catalog.

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August Abolins wrote to Tiny <=-

Storing music onto it was an easy drag and drop with the
computer: no special app (like iTunes) required.

That's how she does it. On her computer she uses VLC to play
music and she copys what she wants to hear on the stick. It
works for both of us that way. (I can't deal with itunes to
save my life)

switch "Do not use this switch if in usa/canada" that of course I
flipped seems to give it so much power that I'm my own radio station.

That is interesting, and funny.

I'm not sure how powerful it is but it's very very clear in the vehicle
with no static or intruptions from the other ones I've tried.

I had a fellow drop into my shop on Saturday, and we talked about
cassette players and 8-track. He was a collector of those things
and the tapes that go along with it.

I had a box of 8tracks but over the years and the moves they got
lost or thrown out or destroyed in the mold house. Probably the
mold house took them.

Shawn

... If it walks out of your refrigerator, let it go.

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Hello Tiny!

** On Tuesday 05.01.21 - 11:10, Tiny wrote to August Abolins:

August Abolins wrote to Tiny <=-

Storing music onto it was an easy drag and drop with the
computer: no special app (like iTunes) required.

That's how she does it. On her computer she uses VLC to play
music and she copys what she wants to hear on the stick. It
works for both of us that way. (I can't deal with itunes to
save my life)

I still find the iTunes player pretty good. It has wonderful
search and sort features. So.. even if you wanted to do the
manual method with mp3, all you have to do is use the "Show in
Windows Explorer" and it will take you right to the file so can
grab it and copy it.

I've also appreciated the network play option: music files stored
on PC 1, and be able to play the collection from PC 2.

Save for the concept of paying for low quality and DRM's files
that only play with iTunes, the player itself is a good
"database" tool for a collection. It works really fine for the
material I rip lossless from CDs and store it.

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It would seem far more entertaining to stream music from a vastly
larger catalog from which you can discover new stuff.

I do agree with you. I think streaming is the way to go. However the one drawback is that the licensing agreements are always changing. I listen to a lot of obscure indie electronic acts, and sometimes their catalogs disappear from streaming... but usually they come back. Recently a band I really like "Made In Heights" disappeared from all streaming platforms because of a dispute between the band members who didn't sign the new contract in time for renewal. One of the band members released all the music in MP3 and posted it online -- so I was able to retrieve it. However that won't always be the case.

I'm not sure if there are still any major holdouts for streaming. For awhile it was Led Zeppelin, Prince, the Beatles, Tool, and Taylor Swift but they are all streaming now.

Bob Roberts
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Hello Bob!

** On Tuesday 05.01.21 - 09:52, Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins:

I do agree with you. I think streaming is the way to go. However the
one drawback is that the licensing agreements are always changing. I listen to a lot of obscure indie electronic acts, and sometimes their catalogs disappear from streaming... but usually they come back.
Recently a band I really like "Made In Heights" disappeared from all streaming platforms because of a dispute between the band members who didn't sign the new contract in time for renewal. One of the band
members released all the music in MP3 and posted it online -- so I was able to retrieve it. However that won't always be the case.

That got me curious. I found a download link for Made In Heights
at mediafire. I have to check out your interest! ;)

I've only once encountered a sudden pull-out at Spotify. The
listing remained, but the actual link was dead/darkened. I was
really interested to hear the Andreas Vollenweider & Friends
recording. Today, the entire listing is gone - won't come up in
the searches - but my "pick" in Favourites and in a playlist
remain.

I'm not sure if there are still any major holdouts for streaming. For awhile it was Led Zeppelin, Prince, the Beatles, Tool, and Taylor Swift but they are all streaming now.

I remember some fuss from the holdouts. From Swift I recall that
she was demanding a bigger cut, or something like that.

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Recently a band I really like "Made In Heights" disappeared from all
streaming platforms because of a dispute between the band members who
didn't sign the new contract in time for renewal. One of the band

That got me curious. I found a download link for Made In Heights
at mediafire. I have to check out your interest! ;)

Very cool. Let me know what you think. Their most popular song is Murakami on "Without My Enemy What Would I Do". But I like all their songs. It's a shame they seem to be on the path to break up, but maybe it will free them to take on new projects.

I remember some fuss from the holdouts. From Swift I recall that
she was demanding a bigger cut, or something like that.

Yup. Bigger cut for Taytay. She's been fighting for control of her Masters and they were recently sold from under her for a second time just recently. These are the Masters from her first 10(?) albums, so worth quite a bit. Apparently she is now rerecording every song now, so she can release them to try to undermine the value of the old Masters. We shall see!

Bob Roberts
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August Abolins wrote to Tiny <=-

Save for the concept of paying for low quality and DRM's files
that only play with iTunes, the player itself is a good
"database" tool for a collection. It works really fine for the
material I rip lossless from CDs and store it.

Never thought I'd find anyone who liked that program. LOL We just
can't deal with it. Tried many times and failed. I found a way
to use media monkey to sync to my ipad though so it's okay. Of
course I haven't listened to music that way in over a year now.

Shawn

... Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned.

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Hello Tiny!

** On Wednesday 06.01.21 - 08:30, Tiny wrote to August Abolins:

Save for the concept of paying for low quality and DRM's files
that only play with iTunes, the player itself is a good
"database" tool for a collection. It works really fine for the
material I rip lossless from CDs and store it.

Never thought I'd find anyone who liked that program. LOL

Hardy har har. You really got to get out more often! ;)

I'm not an Apple "fan" by any stretch of the imagination, but the
iTunes program is simply very good at what it does. It's a great
tool for ripping to lossless too - whilst keeping a database of
thise files at the same time. I like the print CD label feature.
I have found that the network feature is very handy when I pull
podcasts at one PC (for storage) that I can then fire up iTunes
on another PC and play them reaching out across the network. WRT
podcasts, I may subscribe to them with iTunes, but then I just
copy the file onto a media card and play them on the TV while I
lay back in bed and close my eyes.

We just can't deal with it. Tried many times and failed.
I found a way to use media monkey to sync to my ipad though
so it's okay. Of course I haven't listened to music that
way in over a year now.

Good to hear that you found *some* kind of solution that works
for you. I don't have a need to "sync" to devices. I just pick
and choose what I might like to hear and transfer the podcasts to
a media card or my iPOD (yes, I still have a couple of old ones)
manually. If I auto-sync'd to my iPods I'd run out of space
before I had a chance to listen to the lastest podcasts. So, now
I am skipping a lot of material and just listening to something
that sounds interesting based on the description of a specific
program.

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AUGUST ABOLINS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

iTunes offered an interesting "uploads" option. (Not sure if they
still do) ..but you could upload a basic quality .mp3 version of
anything you had, and they would replace it with a higher quality
version. Then you could stream that anywhere you wanted.

I pondered about that, and decided not to bother.

I remember something about that, and I think I did do it and if I
remember correctly, once I linked it to my local mp3s, it added them to
my iTunes library, but deleted them off my hard drive and that really
pissed me off and I haven't used iTunes since.

play the local files. I would use iTunes' player instead. Infact,
I haven't been playing any of my local files because the new AA>

music discovery with Spotify is so much more fun.

That is true, I love hearing new stuff and I've added a lot of bands I
never heard of before of the last 6-8 months that I have been using
Spotify. But, one artist I truly love to listen to refused to put is
music on big streaming services. So my only way to listen to his stuff
is via locally hosted MP3s and hence my portable MP3 player and Spotify
on my desktop.

Well.. what precludes you to buy vinyl and relive those times?!
;) Apparently, vinyl has a sort of comeback in the last few
years. But the prices of $20+ is a bit steep, I would think.

No kidding! They have been pricing new vinyl pretty high. But I have
also noticed they are making them a lot heavier. That might have
something to do with the cost, but the prices are more than I would
have expected. $9.99 for downloadable album, $14.99 for CD, $20+ for
colored vinyl? WHat?

But I'd love to play some old LPs. But I just really need a new

I feel the same, and I still have all my albums from days gone back.
But I'd have to get a turntable, cartridge and a pre-amp of sorts since
I no longer really have a "HiFi" and listen with headphones or IEMs
only.

Might consider that though.

Kev

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Hello Bob!

** On Tuesday 05.01.21 - 23:05, Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins:

That got me curious. I found a download link for Made In Heights
at mediafire. I have to check out your interest! ;)

Very cool. Let me know what you think. Their most popular song is Murakami on "Without My Enemy What Would I Do".

Murakami.. is that the one that starts with what sounds like a
record playing backwards?

I have to put the tunes on a CD so that I can play them on the
hifi and appreciate the full sound spectrum and the low beats.
So far, I've just picked a few recordings here and there
(primarily to test the collection) ..but listening to them
through the little laptop speakers is not ideal.

I like what I hear. I haven't heard everything though. I notice
that some of the recordings are just pure instramental.

It wouldn't be the kind of music I would want to hear 24/7 right
this moment, but I can appreciate the musical talent there.

How would this music be classified: industrial pop?

I kinda reminds me of the sort of sound experiments that
Orchestral Maneouvers In The Dark, and Enigma would do.

The music and vocals also reminds of a less breathy Dido.

The beats and minimalistic music treatment reminds me of a
Canadian duo called Timbuk2 (but I can't find the CD right now)
The duo was a man/woman pair that would simply use a beat box of
prerecorded sequences, and just add guitar and vocals. They
seemed to produce a lot of sound from just 2 people.

But I like all their songs. It's a shame they seem to be on
the path to break up, but maybe it will free them to take on
new projects.

Who knows.. some interpersonal stuff or family commitments can
get in the way of continuing music projects.

..Bigger cut for Taytay. She's been fighting for control of
her Masters and they were recently sold from under her for a
second time just recently. These are the Masters from her
first 10(?) albums, so worth quite a bit. Apparently she is
now rerecording every song now, so she can release them to
try to undermine the value of the old Masters. We shall
see!

Yes.. I heard about the original catalog sold from under her
feet. It's shameful. But maybe there is a mirkier story behind
it and she's paying the price. She *did* get a lot of studio and
marketing help from the record company back then.

Rerecoring the catalog sounds like a good tactic to undercut the
value of the originals, but rarely have anyone's re-recorded
versions stood up, IMHO. There are exceptions though. Can't
think of anything right now.

BTW.. I overheard in another echo that you were looking for some
offline reader alternatives. I recommend OpenXP! See tear line.
To see screenshots and for more information, see:

https://openxp.kolico.ca

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Very cool. Let me know what you think. Their most popular song is
Murakami on "Without My Enemy What Would I Do".

Murakami.. is that the one that starts with what sounds like a
record playing backwards?

Correct.

I like what I hear. I haven't heard everything though. I notice
that some of the recordings are just pure instramental.

How would this music be classified: industrial pop?

I would consider it more "Electro Pop." Or "Indie Electro." Industrial pop would be more hard-driving, distorted, or agressive. Such as Ashbury Heights or Ladytron. (Ladytron rides the border between Electro pop and Industrial pop).

The music and vocals also reminds of a less breathy Dido.
The beats and minimalistic music treatment reminds me of a
Canadian duo called Timbuk2 (but I can't find the CD right now)

Made in Heights is two people, the guy (Sabzi) composes the music and programs the synths and stuff, and the lady (Kelsey Bulkin)* sings. She doesn't sing on every track. There's also an album where there are both vocal and instrimental versions of each track.

I searched Timbuk2 on Spotify but there seem to be several artists with that name. If you have a link please share. If you enjoyed Made in Heights but maybe want something more mellow, check out "Boards of Canada". This type of music really is my favorite. Electronic beats backed by breathy / melodic vocals. Other good acts to check out... Chvrches, Purity Ring, Verite, Broods, Vera Blue.

Rerecoring the catalog sounds like a good tactic to undercut the
value of the originals, but rarely have anyone's re-recorded
versions stood up, IMHO. There are exceptions though. Can't
think of anything right now.

Apparently she's re-recording without embelishment or changing the original, but I think its natural human nature to reinterpet... and she'll be changing the way she sings and/or performs the songs somehow. Hopefully not to the extent that George Lucas changed the original Star Wars Trilogy.

BTW.. I overheard in another echo that you were looking for some
offline reader alternatives. I recommend OpenXP! See tear line.
To see screenshots and for more information, see:

I've tried to get OpenXP working in Linux before, and was able to start the config progress, but as soon as I try to poll my boss node it locks up and I have to kill the process. I will play with it more one day. I've read since that OpenXP is very picky about Nodelists, so maybe I need to check in that direction more.

*Kelsey Bulkin is the neice of Mark Spiro, who wrote and produced tracks for Cheap Trick, John Waite, Heart, Bad English, and others.

Bob Roberts
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Hello Kevin!

** On Wednesday 06.01.21 - 18:52, Kevin Nunn wrote to August Abolins:

iTunes offered an interesting "uploads" option..

I remember something about that, and I think I did do it and if I
remember correctly, once I linked it to my local mp3s, it added them to
my iTunes library, but deleted them off my hard drive and that really pissed me off and I haven't used iTunes since.

Whaaaat?!? iTunes simply deleted your local copy without a
prompt or warning to continue? I would never like that to happen
either. Maybe that *was* in the small print, and maybe that is
why I decided not to try it. Dunno.

According to some googling about this, the local delete was an
option when prompted to do so. So.. you didn't have to lose thos
files.

"What actually happens will vary depending on the item you are
deleting: Songs added to iTunes from folders on your computer
will be deleted from your iTunes Library. You'll be prompted to
keep the actual file if it is located in your iTunes Media
folder."

The above sounds confusing.

;) Apparently, vinyl has a sort of comeback..

No kidding! They have been pricing new vinyl pretty high. But I have
also noticed they are making them a lot heavier. That might have
something to do with the cost, but the prices are more than I would
have expected. $9.99 for downloadable album, $14.99 for CD, $20+ for colored vinyl? WHat?

Someone mentioned that the LPs are indeed heavier. Interesting.
I remember the K-tel LPs; they seemed to get thinner with every
release. The sample records on plastic that were sometimes
featured in magazines were fun to play.

But I'd love to play some old LPs. But I just really need a new

I no longer really have a "HiFi" and listen with headphones or IEMs
only.

It is very nice to be able to crank up the sound and enjoy the
chestpounting bass, have the freedom to walk around and not be
encumbered with ear pieces or headphones pressing against the
ears. Live recordings are especially fun because it sounds like
the party is right there in the room.

I don't have extraordinarly high-end speakers, but they are
Advent towers with 8" woofers. The original woofers "rotted" out
around the rims. I found a place that would repair them. I just
pulled out the speakers, packaged them up to the repair shop in a neighbouring province. One week later, I had some pretty good
sound back again for just the cost of repair: $160 + postage.

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AUGUST ABOLINS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

According to some googling about this, the local delete was an
option when prompted to do so. So.. you didn't have to lose thos
files.

The above sounds confusing.

It's been so long ago I don't remember the details, but I probably just
was clicking popups to get something else done, so it could have been
my fault. I always felt like itunes was blotted anyway, I do miss the simplicity of something like Winamp, but then again, it was limited so.

Someone mentioned that the LPs are indeed heavier. Interesting.
I remember the K-tel LPs; they seemed to get thinner with every
release. The sample records on plastic that were sometimes
featured in magazines were fun to play.

HAHA yea I remember those. I have gotten a few LP's recently, just for collector purposes and they are indeed heavier.

It is very nice to be able to crank up the sound and enjoy the chestpounting bass, have the freedom to walk around and not be
encumbered with ear pieces or headphones pressing against the

I do miss that. For the last 18 years I had a decent HiFi and was
living in a house, so I could have done that. But, I was also married,
so conditions were never that favorable for loud music.

Now divorced, which is great, but I live in an upstairs apartment, so I
don't want to piss off my neighbors :)

ears. Live recordings are especially fun because it sounds like
the party is right there in the room.

I have a high end pair of IEMs and they sound amazing, but I do miss
"feeling" the music (bass).

I don't have extraordinarly high-end speakers, but they are
Advent towers with 8" woofers. The original woofers "rotted" out
around the rims. I found a place that would repair them. I just

When I was younger I had a set of speakers that did that, tried to fix
them myself with fingernail polish, but it didn't last long LOL. I
could not afford to actually get the fixed at the time. The good ole
days.

Kev


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Hello Kevin!

** On Friday 08.01.21 - 09:59, Kevin Nunn wrote to August Abolins:

..I have gotten a few LP's recently, just for
collector purposes and they are indeed heavier.

I am tempted to get one or two myself. But first, I really need
to make sure I get a new cartridge/needle kit. The virgin play
would be need to be the best that it can be!

It is very nice to be able to crank up the sound..

Now divorced, which is great, but I live in an upstairs apartment, so I don't want to piss off my neighbors :)

Maybe you can find out when your neighbors downstairs would be
away. I lived in apartments most of the time. Two of my last
apartments were in very modern buildings, THICK solid concrete
floors and walls between units. I was impressed with the sound
isolation. Even my apartment door for one of them was an
oversized solid OAK.

In previous apartments, I had far fewer complaints around
suppertime 5p-8p. But then, I only cranked up the occassional
song, not a whole album. I figured that my neighbours thought I
had good taste and therefore did not mind my selections. ;)

I have a high end pair of IEMs and they sound amazing, but I do miss "feeling" the music (bass).

My nearest neighbour is at least 200ft away, their living-side of
the house is on the other side of their garage which is closest
to me. I can see my next closest neighbour across the lake, but
that is atleast 0.5km away. Often I will play loud well into the
early hours.

..The original woofers "rotted" out around the rims.

When I was younger I had a set of speakers that did that,
tried to fix them myself with fingernail polish, but it
didn't last long LOL. I could not afford to actually get the
fixed at the time. The good ole days.

In my case, the woofers were completely detached from their rims.
Prior to noticing that, the speakers were seldom played for about
5 years, and the room they were in had big swings of temperature.

One day I decided I wanted to play them really loud, but I heard
the occassional mechanical KLUNK in sync with the normal beats.
Then, I thought that the woofers were "blown out" (although I
didn't know what a typical blown-out speaker would look like).
But when I removed the front fabric grill (very easy to detach),
I noticed that the woofers were detached from the softest part of
the outer rims. My heart sank.

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AUGUST ABOLINS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

Maybe you can find out when your neighbors downstairs would be
away. I lived in apartments most of the time. Two of my last
apartments were in very modern buildings, THICK solid concrete
floors and walls between units. I was impressed with the sound

My current apartment is a testing ground for me to see what I could
afford and I wanted to find someplace quiet. So thankfully I found a
small group of 1 bedroom places. It is quiet and gated, so I try to
help keep it that way (quiet).

I play trombone as well, so all my practicing as of late has been with
a "silent mute". In 2021 I hope to find a 2 bedroom, single floor
duplex with a bedroom on the end. That could be my trombone room and
listening room. Well clear of the neighbor.

to me. I can see my next closest neighbour across the lake, but
that is atleast 0.5km away. Often I will play loud well into the
early hours.

Very cool! sounds like a great place!

One day I decided I wanted to play them really loud, but I heard
the occassional mechanical KLUNK in sync with the normal beats.
Then, I thought that the woofers were "blown out" (although I

I would have thought that too, my first though was the coil hitting the
magnet. But without the surround it probably was off center.

These days I do enjoy seeing other peoples systems. I found a guy on
youtube that shows high end systems, and I mean high end. Systems over
50k upwards to 200-300k It's fun to see how other people spend all
their gobs of cash LOL.

Kev


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These days I do enjoy seeing other peoples systems. I found a guy on youtube that shows high end systems, and I mean high end. Systems over
50k upwards to 200-300k It's fun to see how other people spend all
their gobs of cash LOL.

I always enjoy the Home theater build threads on Reddit/r/hometheater. Looking at ultra-high-end home theaters is great.

Bob Roberts
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BOB ROBERTS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I always enjoy the Home theater build threads on Reddit/r/hometheater. Looking at ultra-high-end home theaters is great.

The guy on youtube is Steve Guttenberg (Audiophiliac) - seems like he
does weekly shows and it is really interesting to watch. Link to his
profile below.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9wBmplRUhaCi-aNrkfgeTg

(I looked for a friendly URL, but didn't see one)

Kev


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The guy on youtube is Steve Guttenberg (Audiophiliac) - seems like he
does weekly shows and it is really interesting to watch. Link to his profile below.

Sweet, thanks. I'll take a look.

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Hello Kevin!

** On Monday 11.01.21 - 18:46, Kevin Nunn wrote to Bob Roberts:

The guy on youtube is Steve Guttenberg (Audiophiliac) - seems like he
does weekly shows and it is really interesting to watch. Link to his profile below.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9wBmplRUhaCi-aNrkfgeTg

(I looked for a friendly URL, but didn't see one)

You can always get a "friendlier" one by copying the one that
the SHARE button offers.

Looks interesting. Will take a look at this too!

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Re: Re: I still have some spindles I never used
By: Tiny to August Abolins on Mon Jan 04 2021 12:28 pm

My car is so old is has a cassette player not a CD player. ;)

I have the same issue. I got on the big online store that starts with A and got a bluetooth module that runs off i think 5-36 Volts DC I attacked my cassette car sterio with the snippers and extracted the wires that go to the 12 Volt cassette run motor from there I ran the cord to the cassette adapter to it cut the end off and soldered the wires right to the connector.

Did this for two reasons one is if I hit radio >YEAH RIGHT< it will put the bluetooth module down also power would have that same effect without the abnoxious noise from the FM frequencys here. The other reason is my factory radio has a 1hr timer built in you can just hit power with the car off and it runs for an hour. Well now it does that with bluetooth.

Ended up with a professional functionality for 11 bucks search for LQSC
There is a more expensive model with a line input I already had that hanging out of the tape deck that sucks so I opted out.



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Hello Kevin!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 19:46, Kevin Nunn wrote to August Abolins:

My current apartment is a testing ground for me.. ..It is
quiet and gated, so I try to help keep it that way (quiet).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sounds like a good plan.

These days I do enjoy seeing other peoples systems. I found
a guy on youtube that shows high end systems, and I mean
high end. Systems over 50k upwards to 200-300k It's fun to
see how other people spend all their gobs of cash LOL.

I found "the Audiophiliac". On one of the first ones I tried,
he walked through a series of speakers that cost $1000/pr.

He made very good summaries based on my exposure to the
different types. Years ago, I heard some eletrostatics (huge!)
..but only great for simple vocals and quiet passages. Not so
great for rock - no "dynamics" he called it. Spot on. I heard
Klipsch horn speakers and they sounded great for everything. I
would luv to have a pair of those.

My highschool gym was equipped with 4 tower PA speakers in the
corners. There was nothing but distortion and echos everytime
it was used. But using just two at the front (on each side of
the stage) didn't seem to be any imporovement or powerful enough
when the place was packed with 1100 students.

I had a little musical project at that time. I would create
musical parodies in the style of "Mr.Jaws":

https://youtu.be/kDNlSpKLEEo

A 2009 remake of that is pretty good too:

https://youtu.be/lfwOqGSNWM8

My versions were based on interviews with the adults, staff, and
teachers. My character would roam the halls of the school and
ask questions as I encountered the teachers, principal and
v.principal. It was fun to get away with poking fun at them. I
made sure that my oversexed mind had an opportunity to make
jokes about their inter-relations and any other rumours that
might have been known at that time.

Anyway.. the existing 4-speaker setup sounded terrible. There
was no "low end", no bass. The echoing destroyed the tight
timing the recordings needed between the spoken word and the
music clip.

One day, I happend to "notice" a pair of giant round (they were
4 feet in diameter) horn speakers in one electrical class. They
were originally used for outdoor events and nothing else. I
asked about those for the gym. The teacher suggested the perfect
amp for them. He made the installation a class project.

The parody sounded GREAT. No echoing. Great dynamics. Lots of
punch.

To entertain students at the end of the day, I'd have a reel-to-
reel tape playing rock hits.

When it came time to play the parody, I had to stop the tape
during each segment while everyone was laughing so hard. I
couldn't play it through in real-time like the Mr. Jaws
recording because of the laughing going on - they'd miss the
next joke if I let it run.

I was a huge hit. I made a total of three parodies during my
last two years in highschool.

They were aired on the local radio station in town later on.

The originals were copied from the reel-to-reel to cassette. The
cassette was converted to MP3. The MP3 copies reside on either
an old hdd that I used with WinME or Ubuntu - but I can't
remember.

Everyone (ie students) thought it was a bad idea to remove the
horns from the gym. Going back to the original 4-corner 4-
speakers sounded pathetic and simply encouraged people not to
attend. They continued to use the 4-corner system for other
music events - they all sounded terrible.

Anyway.. the horn speakers had me hooked from then on.
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great for rock - no "dynamics" he called it. Spot on. I heard
Klipsch horn speakers and they sounded great for everything. I
would luv to have a pair of those.

Klipsch speakers are good all-around speakers for home theater. I'm not a huge fan of the horn for music. The Klipsch "Heritage" line might entice me if I was building a dedicated 2 channel listening room. The problem is the speaker placement MUST be in the corners.

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AUGUST ABOLINS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

great for rock - no "dynamics" he called it. Spot on. I heard
Klipsch horn speakers and they sounded great for everything. I
would luv to have a pair of those.

I was the same, I heard a pair of Klipsch in the 80's and they were so
amazing. Sadly I have never been about to have something like that
myself, but I have toyed with a few systems.

The closest I've come is with PA systems (like you!) I am an sound
engineer flunkie, but got to mess with some really nice systems. Most
would have horns for high/mids and 18" or 24" subs. Chest slapping
dynamics. Boy those where some fun times!

I had a little musical project at that time. I would create
musical parodies in the style of "Mr.Jaws":

Wow That took me back! I have not heard that in so long! Thanks :P

I was a huge hit. I made a total of three parodies during my
last two years in highschool.

Very cool! I heard a few back then and enjoyed them.

Anyway.. the horn speakers had me hooked from then on.

Yea you can't beat a well designed horn system. I have heard some
crappy ones too, but the majority of them are amazing.

In the late 80's a buddy of mine did car installs and I always enjoyed
the stuff he built as well. Car Audio was just getting big then and it
was interesting to see what was coming out. His pride and joy was a VW
Bug (convertable) with 4 18"s in the back seat powered by
several Rockford Fosgates.

That was before the big SPL contest machines starting getting built and
it really went crazy then (and I thought the Bug was crazy).

Kev

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BOB ROBERTS wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS <=-

might entice me if I was building a dedicated 2 channel listening room.
The problem is the speaker placement MUST be in the corners.

Yes that is one things about the Klipsch is placement, probably most
other horns as well. In order to use the rooms walls to extend the
horn.

Kev

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Hello Kevin!

** On Tuesday 12.01.21 - 18:33, Kevin Nunn wrote to August Abolins:

The closest I've come is with PA systems (like you!) I am an sound engineer flunkie, but got to mess with some really nice systems. Most would have horns for high/mids and 18" or 24" subs. Chest slapping dynamics. Boy those where some fun times!

I have a cousin that works for a company that installs the sound
equipment (mostly just the hardware stuff - not so much the
sound checks) for rock bands playing at various venues when they
visit his city. But I am sure he sticks around to make sure the
various speakers sound right and the mics function. I'm not in
touch with my cuz, but he has rubbed shoulders with some of
those celebs.

Yea you can't beat a well designed horn system. I have heard some
crappy ones too, but the majority of them are amazing.

Many of today's speaker pairs can't be all that bad if they are
priced for the audiophile and still in business after decades.

I was partial to owning a pair of Polks at one time.

Nothing beats listening to music in the open air.

..His pride and joy was a VW Bug (convertable) with 4 18"s
in the back seat powered by several Rockford Fosgates.

omg.

it really went crazy then (and I thought the Bug was crazy).

:D

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AUGUST ABOLINS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

Many of today's speaker pairs can't be all that bad if they are
priced for the audiophile and still in business after decades.

That is a good point.

I was partial to owning a pair of Polks at one time.

Yes I have always heard good things about Polk Audio, but not sure if I
have ever listened to their products.

Back in the 80s I always wanted a pair of Cerwin Vega's, but never had
the money. These days I am not sure if they are still considered to be
good speakers or if they are even made anymore.

Nothing beats listening to music in the open air.

Oh definitely. And one thing I am learning about IEMs and headphones
probably applies to speakers as well is that different speakers sound
better for different things.

I have some Shure SE535's that are beyond great when I am listening to
jazz or classical music. But they are not that great for the Metal
music that I enjoy most. Where as my Shure SE215's are great for Metal,
less so for Jazz and Classical. So I switch around depending on what
type of music I am listening too. Same with my overear headphones, I
have a set for jazz/classical and a set for Metal.

I also have a pair of custom Ultimate Ears IEMs that are freaking
amazing and they are best with jazz and classical, but still sound
decent with metal music. But these are what I use(d) when mixing, where
sound details are a requirement.

Kev

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I have some Shure SE535's that are beyond great when I am listening to jazz or classical music. But they are not that great for the Metal
music that I enjoy most. Where as my Shure SE215's are great for Metal,

I also have a pair of custom Ultimate Ears IEMs that are freaking
amazing and they are best with jazz and classical, but still sound

You using a DAC or Amp with those? If so which one?

I don't often listen via headphones at home -- lucky enough to have a wife that tolerates my music. But I run audio from my computer thru a Peachtree Audio DAC and out to KRK Rokit Monitors.

Bob Roberts
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Hello Bob!

** On Friday 15.01.21 - 18:39, Bob Roberts wrote to Kevin Nunn:

I don't often listen via headphones at home -- lucky enough
to have a wife that tolerates my music. But I run audio
from my computer thru a Peachtree Audio DAC and out to KRK
Rokit Monitors.

Interesting. Never heard of those. There seems to be even more
brands of speakers out there than in the past.

My first pair of monitor/shelf design were the Realistic Minimus
series in the 80s. Technically, they were the same as the Kosch
of the same type, made in the same factories, but branded as
Realistic. I purchased 2 pairs of the larger Minimus-77; at
over $100 each, they were still quite good. Later, I procured 2
pairs of the smaller Minimus-7 when they were reduced to under
$50/pr and just before being phased out.

Over time, the larger ones rotted out around the woofers. The
smaller Minimus 7 still boasts a good balance of sound. My plan
was to employ them in a surround-sound project that never really
got started.

They are amazing little speakers, encased in solid steel and
weigh fairly heavy for their size.

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** On Saturday 16.01.21 - 08:35, August Abolins wrote to Bob Roberts:

My first pair of monitor/shelf design were the Realistic Minimus
series in the 80s. Technically, they were the same as the Kosch

Whoops. Make that Bose, not Kosch. I think I was still
dreaming of owning Klipsch speakers someday and merged that with
remembering the Bose, somehow.

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My first pair of monitor/shelf design were the Realistic Minimus
series in the 80s. Technically, they were the same as the Kosch
of the same type, made in the same factories, but branded as
Realistic. I purchased 2 pairs of the larger Minimus-77; at

I remember when Realistic was a real brand. Then it turned into Radio Shack's generic label. And then Radio Shack just went away. It looks like there is a Radio Shack online store now.... owned by the same people that own Dressbarn, Pier 1, and Linens'n'Things. Classic.

to have a wife that tolerates my music. But I run audio
from my computer thru a Peachtree Audio DAC and out to KRK
Rokit Monitors.

Interesting. Never heard of those. There seems to be even more
brands of speakers out there than in the past.

KRK is a powered monitor, typically used in music production. It many studios you'll find both KRK and Yamaha monitors. They pack a lot of punch. I listen to a lot of electronic music (as we discussed before) and they really shine there.

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Whoops. Make that Bose, not Kosch. I think I was still
dreaming of owning Klipsch speakers someday and merged that with remembering the Bose, somehow.

My first speakers in college were Bose. I blew them up with Nine Inch Nails.

Bob Roberts
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BOB ROBERTS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

You using a DAC or Amp with those? If so which one?

Yes, I have a few actually, nothing really high end, but still decent. I have a FiiO K5 Pro that is attached to my desktop, a Cambridge Audio Azur which is next to my recliner attached to a laptop. And for portable devices I have a FiiO Q1 and a FiiO E10K and a Schiit Fulla.

They all sound great and have the power to push the IEMs and my headphones. I won't go back to plugging in directly to a computer ever again (for music).

I don't often listen via headphones at home -- lucky enough to have a
wife that tolerates my music. But I run audio from my computer thru a Peachtree Audio DAC and out to KRK Rokit Monitors.

Nice! If I still had my house I'd probably setup something like that, but apartment live!

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AUGUST ABOLINS wrote to BOB ROBERTS <=-

Whoops. Make that Bose, not Kosch. I think I was still
dreaming of owning Klipsch speakers someday and merged that with remembering the Bose, somehow.

Speaking of Bose, that is another speaker I always wanted to get but never did. The Bose 901's or whatever their top of the line was for awhile.

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Yes, I have a few actually, nothing really high end, but still decent. I have a FiiO K5 Pro that is attached to my desktop, a Cambridge Audio Azur which is next to my recliner attached to a laptop. And for portable devices I have a FiiO Q1 and a FiiO E10K and a Schiit Fulla.

Ahh, I was wondering if there would be a Schiit stack in there somewhere. How do you like it? I've thought about getting one but never have... I know they're popular on the interwebs. You've got some nice gear.

They all sound great and have the power to push the IEMs and my headphones. I won't go back to plugging in directly to a computer ever again (for music).

I agree. Before I got a DAC i thought they were stupid. But now that I have one and have experienced it (a former boss talked me into getting one) I would never go back. The way they process streaming audio (like Hi-Res Tidal) takes the music up a notch.

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BOB ROBERTS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

Ahh, I was wondering if there would be a Schiit stack in there
somewhere. How do you like it? I've thought about getting one but
never have... I know they're popular on the interwebs. You've got some nice gear.

The Schiit Fulla I have is the original one, not sure how old it is,
but it's the orginal style and it sounds amazing, especially
considering it is USB powered. I have toyed with the idea of getting a
new one for my desktop setup, but I haven't been dissatisfied with my
FiiO, so no need to upgrade yet. :)

I agree. Before I got a DAC i thought they were stupid. But now that
I have one and have experienced it (a former boss talked me into
getting one) I would never go back. The way they process streaming
audio (like Hi-Res Tidal) takes the music up a notch.

The difference is amazing I agree.

What I would like to find now, is a decent portable (pocket sized)
bluetooth DAC. I have bluetooth adapaters for my Shure IEMs and my
UE's, but they just don't have to power to drive the IEMs.

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What I would like to find now, is a decent portable (pocket sized) bluetooth DAC. I have bluetooth adapaters for my Shure IEMs and my
UE's, but they just don't have to power to drive the IEMs.

I've always assumed that the compression native in bluetooth would defeat the fidelity gained by a DAC. I know there are some newer bluetooth profiles that are higher fidelity, but I'm assuming there is still some compression there. Also, it's so difficult to determine what phones and headphones support what bluetooth codecs.

I have an Oppo HA-2 portable DAC/Headphone amp I used for a time back when I had a commute, but eventually I switched to wireless Bose QuietComfort 35's to simplify things.

Bob Roberts
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BOB ROBERTS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I've always assumed that the compression native in bluetooth would
defeat the fidelity gained by a DAC. I know there are some newer bluetooth profiles that are higher fidelity, but I'm assuming there is still some compression there. Also, it's so difficult to determine
what phones and headphones support what bluetooth codecs.

Yes, codecs is the big thing. I think some of the better ones don't
compress as much? Maybe? But initially when I had just my iphone, I
knew it didn't support any of the better codecs, so I ignored bluetooth
for a good while. Later I got my portable player and it supported
better ones, so I did get some adapters, but I don't use them often.
Unless I am cleaning the apartment, or washing dishes or something.

I do have some bluetooth earbuds that I use when I walk, but that is
only for podcast or audiobooks.

Bluetooth is extremely handy and useful, I love it for podcast,
audiobooks and phone use. And it is decent for most music. But it has
it drawbacks.

When I was working with live audio, I often had use of a shure wireless
pack to use with my IEMs. That setup worked really well, but I can't
see myself spending $1k on a decent wireless setup just to walk around
the apartment LOL.

Kev



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Bob Roberts wrote to August Abolins <=-

My first speakers in college were Bose. I blew them up with Nine Inch Nails.

If you're going to destroy speakers, that's good stuff to blow them up with.

I have a pair of Marantz HD-88s, nearly as old as I am, that still rock. I used to use them to deejay dances with back in the late 80s.

Later,
Sean


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I have a pair of Marantz HD-88s, nearly as old as I am, that still rock. I used to use them to deejay dances with back in the late 80s.

Oh wow, those are sweet vintage speakers. Cherish those bad boys.

Bob Roberts
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Hello Sean!

** On Wednesday 20.01.21 - 15:12, Sean Dennis wrote to Bob Roberts:

I have a pair of Marantz HD-88s, nearly as old as I am,
that still rock. I used to use them to deejay dances with
back in the late 80s.

And no sign of dry rot on the woofer surrounds after all these
years?

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On 20 Jan 21 15:12:08, Sean Dennis said the following to Bob Roberts:

If you're going to destroy speakers, that's good stuff to blow them up with

I have a pair of Marantz HD-88s, nearly as old as I am, that still rock. I used to use them to deejay dances with back in the late 80s.

Sansui SP-5500's here...

Nick

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