• Re: I don't mow the lawn

    From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to BOB ROBERTS on Fri Nov 13 17:10:00 2020
    I bet you get free healthcare thou. I pay $1,000 a month just to cover myself >nd my wife. Plus even more fees if we actually need the service.

    You need to have one of our Canadian sysops explain what "free health care" really means, i.e. not always free and some stuff costs more there than
    here.


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  • From Warpslide@618:500/23 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 13 20:21:24 2020
    On 13 Nov 2020, Mike Powell said the following...

    You need to have one of our Canadian sysops explain what "free health care"really means, i.e. not always free and some stuff costs more there thanhere.

    Canadian here.

    Yup, we have a shit load of taxes taken off of each paycheque and generally pay more for almost everything, including products made in Canada. But I'm also not going to go to the poor house (do those even exist anymore?) or declare bankruptcy if I break a leg or have a baby. Just have to show my "heath card" at the doctor's office or hospital and be on my way.

    That being said, there are more and more things that aren't covered anymore like crutches, wheelchairs & certain procedures. Chiropractors for example used to be covered by provincial heath care when I was younger & now it isn't. We do have "benefits" available through our employers which can also cover all or a portion of these expenses.

    An example of income taxes: In my province of Ontario if you made $100,000 per year, your take-home pay (using 2020 tax rates) would be $72,867 which is about 27%. If you made $50,000 per year, your take-home pay would be $39,225 which is about 21%.

    There are ways you can reduce this by saving for retirement or your child's education, but that's just a basic example.

    Jay

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Warpslide on Sat Nov 14 03:01:52 2020
    Re: Re: I don't mow the lawn
    By: Warpslide to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 13 2020 08:21 pm

    On 13 Nov 2020, Mike Powell said the following...

    You need to have one of our Canadian sysops explain what "free health care"really means, i.e. not always free and some stuff costs more there thanhere.

    Canadian here.

    Yup, we have a shit load of taxes taken off of each paycheque and generally more for almost everything, including products made in Canada. But I'm also not going to go to the poor house (do those even exist anymore?) or declare bankruptcy if I break a leg or have a baby. Just have to show my "heath car at the doctor's office or hospital and be on my way.

    That being said, there are more and more things that aren't covered anymore like crutches, wheelchairs & certain procedures. Chiropractors for example used to be covered by provincial heath care when I was younger & now it isn' We do have "benefits" available through our employers which can also cover a or a portion of these expenses.

    An example of income taxes: In my province of Ontario if you made $100,000 p year, your take-home pay (using 2020 tax rates) would be $72,867 which is ab 27%. If you made $50,000 per year, your take-home pay would be $39,225 whic is about 21%.

    There are ways you can reduce this by saving for retirement or your child's education, but that's just a basic example.

    Jay

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    TL;DR

    More coverage than Spaniards, for less money than Spaniards.

    Fucking yay.
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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Warpslide on Sat Nov 14 10:25:22 2020
    An example of income taxes: In my province of Ontario if you made $100,000 per year, your take-home pay (using 2020 tax rates) would be $72,867 which is about 27%. If you made $50,000 per year, your take-home pay would be $39,225 which is about 21%.

    That is pretty close to what we deal with here in the states. What some people forget around here is we are taxed on so many levels, it is hard to get a real percentage.

    There is income tax, property tax, sales tax, state tax, local tax, tolls, car registrations, gas tax, rain tax, etc. Basically EVERYTHING is taxed and it all adds up way more than they like to report.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Warpslide on Sat Nov 14 07:41:00 2020
    Warpslide wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    An example of income taxes: In my province of Ontario if you made
    $100,000 per year, your take-home pay (using 2020 tax rates) would be $72,867 which is about 27%. If you made $50,000 per year, your
    take-home pay would be $39,225 which is about 21%.

    That's not too far off of here, the marginal tax rate on $100K would
    be 24%. Except we (and our employers) are paying into for-profit
    healthcare companies, which are doing just that.



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  • From Warpslide@618:500/23 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Nov 16 07:55:58 2020
    On 14 Nov 2020, Kurt Weiske said the following...

    That's not too far off of here, the marginal tax rate on $100K would
    be 24%. Except we (and our employers) are paying into for-profit healthcare companies, which are doing just that.

    I guess maybe something else to take into account would be sales tax at the register. In Ontario we pay 13%.

    Jay

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Warpslide on Mon Nov 16 06:52:00 2020
    Warpslide wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    I guess maybe something else to take into account would be sales tax at the register. In Ontario we pay 13%.

    nine point something here, depending on the county. We're still not
    reaping any financial windfalls thanks to privatized medical care -
    the opposite, in fact.


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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Warpslide on Tue Nov 17 01:27:00 2020
    Hello Warpslide!

    ** On Monday 16.11.20 - 07:55, Warpslide wrote to Kurt Weiske:

    I guess maybe something else to take into account would be sales tax at
    the register. In Ontario we pay 13%.

    Not on everything. Books are only taxed at 5% in Ontario.

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  • From Warpslide@618:500/23 to August Abolins on Tue Nov 17 08:11:44 2020
    On 17 Nov 2020, August Abolins said the following...

    In Ontario we pay 13%.

    Not on everything. Books are only taxed at 5% in Ontario.

    Huh, I never knew that about books. TIL


    Jay

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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to KURT WEISKE on Tue Nov 17 00:51:00 2020
    An example of income taxes: In my province of Ontario if you made
    > $100,000 per year, your take-home pay (using 2020 tax rates) would be
    > $72,867 which is about 27%. If you made $50,000 per year, your
    > Wa> take-home pay would be $39,225 which is about 21%.

    That's not too far off of here, the marginal tax rate on $100K would
    >be 24%. Except we (and our employers) are paying into for-profit
    >healthcare companies, which are doing just that.

    Regardless of possible Tagline info I'm a Canadian. I feel that our various systems here are a balance of compromises, doing not too badly for the people without bankrupting the country or taxing everyone to death.
    You can make close to $25,000 a year here and pay no income tax at all.

    Our health care is not perfect but I would probably place it in the top 10 (maybe 5) in the world.
    I broke a shoulder a couple of years ago and had multiple visits to a specialist and my only cost was parking and a $16 sling.
    3 years ago my niece had a daughter who was born at 26 weeks and was in premie intensive care for close to 4 months. The hospital costs were up around $220,000 by the time she went home and, although I'm pretty sure the parents had to spend a couple of thousand dollars on special equipment not supplied or 'loaned' by the health care system, the rest was fully covered, and covered without them seeing a bill. They didn't have to pay up front and then fight or wait to get the money back.

    (BTW my grand-niece is perectly normal, probably smarter than most of her contemporaries, and possibly smarter than her brother who's 2 years older.)

    Several of my friends and relatives have had various forms of Cancer, one
    lady had to have 3 rounds of bone marrow transplant for Leukemia, and none of them have ever had to pay a treatment bill.
    Low income people have all but a few hundred dollars a year of prescription costs covered and, after age 65, they are mostly all covered with no monthly fees. Dental is not covered unless you are very low income (that's new) and glasses are not covered.
    As I said, our system is not perfect but it doesn't bankrupt people either, plus our non-profit hospitals generally do the same procedures at about 1/4
    the cost of having the same thing done in the USA so Someone is getting rich down there off of the backs of sick people.
    If this made my taxes slightly higher over my working years I think it's probably money well spent because, as we age, we usually get about 65% of our lifetime medical procedures in the last couple of years of life when most can least afford to pay for it.

    I do rank the USA as one of the best places in the world to live, but moreso for those with higher incomes I'd think..

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  • From August Abolins@618:510/1.1 to Warpslide on Tue Nov 17 22:22:00 2020
    Hello Warpslide!

    ** On Tuesday 17.11.20 - 08:11, Warpslide wrote to August Abolins:

    In Ontario we pay 13%.

    Not on everything. Books are only taxed at 5% in Ontario.

    Huh, I never knew that about books. TIL

    It's been like that for decades. I hope you did not avoid
    buying books thinking that they taxed at the same level as
    everything else.

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  • From Warpslide@618:500/23 to August Abolins on Wed Nov 18 08:33:18 2020
    On 17 Nov 2020, August Abolins said the following...

    It's been like that for decades. I hope you did not avoid
    buying books thinking that they taxed at the same level as
    everything else.

    The last physical book I probably bought was from the college book store what seems like a lifetime ago. Highway robbery that was...

    Jay

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Rob Mccart on Wed Nov 18 06:42:00 2020
    Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    I broke a shoulder a couple of years ago and had multiple visits to a specialist and my only cost was parking and a $16 sling.

    By comparison, my son fainted while at church a few years back. My
    ex-wife took him to the hospital and failed to provide my insurance
    info.

    A 2 hour stay. Blood pressure monitoring and one doctor visit (with a
    8 oz. can of fruit nectar) cost $7000, in 2 separate bills - the
    primary bill from the ER and a separate bill from the doctor who
    spent a total of 10 minutes with my son, to the tune of $500.

    They offered to drop the bill to something like $5200, if I was
    willing to pay in 30 days or less.

    I told them to bill my insurance, and years later, I haven't seen a
    statement of benefits from my insurance provider. I did get continual
    robo-calls asking me to call them regarding my bill for some period
    of time, since those stopped they must have sorted it out.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to August Abolins on Wed Nov 18 07:39:00 2020
    August Abolins wrote to Warpslide <=-

    Not on everything. Books are only taxed at 5% in Ontario.

    Huh, I never knew that about books. TIL

    It's been like that for decades. I hope you did not avoid
    buying books thinking that they taxed at the same level as
    everything else.

    Books are treated differently - there's a US Postal Service, uh,
    service called Media Mail; it's a cheaper rate for books, and I'm
    assuming, digital media.

    I remember sending a book and a letter to someone and was told I
    could send the book via media mail, but if I included the letter with
    the book it would have to go first-class. It was cheaper to send them separately.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Warpslide on Wed Nov 18 07:41:00 2020
    Warpslide wrote to August Abolins <=-

    The last physical book I probably bought was from the college book
    store what seems like a lifetime ago. Highway robbery that was...

    Yes, it was. I worked at a University bookstore, and heard the behind
    the stacks talk about professors changing minor bits to force a "new"
    edition and require students to buy new, not used.

    That was an impressive side-hustle - write your own text book and require
    your students to buy it in order to attend your class. Combine that
    with academic tenure and things are looking pretty good.



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  • From Bob Roberts@618:300/36 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Nov 18 11:05:11 2020
    I told them to bill my insurance, and years later, I haven't seen a statement of benefits from my insurance provider. I did get continual robo-calls asking me to call them regarding my bill for some period
    of time, since those stopped they must have sorted it out.

    Or they sold your debt to a collector. Have you checked your credit reports to see if they put a negative account on it?

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Bob Roberts on Wed Nov 18 12:02:01 2020
    Re: Re: I don't mow the lawn
    By: Bob Roberts to Kurt Weiske on Wed Nov 18 2020 11:05 am

    Or they sold your debt to a collector. Have you checked your credit reports to see if they put a negative account on it?

    Yeah, we're all good.
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to ROB MCCART on Wed Nov 18 14:09:00 2020
    As I said, our system is not perfect but it doesn't bankrupt people either, plus our non-profit hospitals generally do the same procedures at about 1/4 the cost of having the same thing done in the USA so Someone is getting rich down there off of the backs of sick people.

    So what you are saying is that I should have tried getting all of my
    injuries and illnesses compressed into the week or so that I was in Canada
    back in 2017? :D

    Mike


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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Nov 18 17:08:54 2020
    Re: Re: I never knew that about books
    By: Kurt Weiske to August Abolins on Wed Nov 18 2020 07:39 am

    I remember sending a book and a letter to someone and was told I
    could send the book via media mail, but if I included the letter with
    the book it would have to go first-class. It was cheaper to send them separately.

    Or you can go the Spanish way, strike a deal with your regular logistics provider, and tag everything as generic "printed matter".

    Then you put vitamins and stuffs in the package anyway because nobody cares.

    Corruption is not the problem, it is the solution to all your everyday problems \o/
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Nov 18 19:24:00 2020
    Hello Kurt!

    ** On Wednesday 18.11.20 - 07:39, Kurt Weiske wrote to August Abolins:

    Books are treated differently - there's a US Postal Service, uh,
    service called Media Mail; it's a cheaper rate for books, and I'm assuming, digital media.

    Canada did away with media mail rates a long time ago. It
    *did* make fine difference when sending books.


    I remember sending a book and a letter to someone and was told I
    could send the book via media mail, but if I included the letter with
    the book it would have to go first-class. It was cheaper to send them separately.

    Whaaaat!?! Couldn't you cut include the letter INSIDE with
    the book? It wouldn't be much different than a packing-list.

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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to Warpslide on Thu Nov 19 07:41:00 2020
    Jay,

    The last physical book I probably bought was from the college book
    store what seems like a lifetime ago. Highway robbery that was...

    When I was attending college 40 years ago, my tuition was $400 a
    semester, $100 for books, and $20 for a 1 year parking sticker.

    Before COVID-19 mucked everything up, the local college (which at
    the time I was going there was a commuter campus (no dorms)), had a
    fall picnic at the Alumni Center. Originally, it was from a local
    franchise called David's Burgers (if you order a combo there, and
    eat in, you get unlimited french fries). The last few years, they
    got stuff from Corky's BBQ. I saw one BBQ place with a sign that
    noted "I like my butt rubbed, and my pork pulled" <G>.

    Anyway, I was telling these female students, who were 40 years
    younger than me, what I paid, and they lamented "I wish it was
    that for us". I asked what they paid per semester, and it was
    over $10,000!! As Fred Sanford said "It's the big one, Elizabeth!!"
    <G>. I asked why, and they said one word: "Dorms". I replied "That
    will do it!!". I was still living at home about 3 miles from campus,
    but I was working 40 hours a week at Burger King. So, I put myself
    through school.

    ... When a new hive is done, bees have a house swarming party

    Sweet!! <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Nov 19 07:44:00 2020
    Kurt,

    ... TWENTY PERCENT OF DENTISTS RECOMMEND GUM

    Chew on that for awhile. <G>

    Over 10 years ago, I got dentures made at the Affordable Dentures
    location in southwest Little Rock. They have fit so perfectly, that
    I have not had to use ANY Poli-Grip, Fixodent, etc. One of the teeth
    on the lower denture got chipped, so I had to get it fixed...the cost
    was $115. It had been 6 years since they were last worked on, but I
    think they were created 10 years ago.

    Originally, it was just $500 for the dentures...a generic upper and
    lower full set. I didn't care what they looked like; I just wanted to
    be able to eat!!

    So, I have my own set of falsies <G>, and have been wearing full
    dentures for 20 years.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Nov 19 07:52:00 2020
    Kurt,

    I told them to bill my insurance, and years later, I haven't seen a
    statement of benefits from my insurance provider. I did get continual
    robo-calls asking me to call them regarding my bill for some period
    of time, since those stopped they must have sorted it out.

    I was going to get a different Medicare plan during the enrollment
    period, but it turns out my PCP isn't in this group plan...so, unless
    I can find a better deal locally, I'm staying where I'm at.

    I only have a half dozen medications I take daily, and rarely have to
    go to the doctor. The prescription drug plan only costs me $3.50 for
    generic (sometimes as little as $2) and $7 for name brand.

    Seven months before my wife died nearly 14 years ago, the state took
    away my SSI and Medicaid, so I have Medicare ONLY (I don't have any supplemental insurance, as $1100 a month on disability doesn't go very
    far). They said "$1500 a month for 2 people was too much money"...do NOT
    get me started on that. You have these greedy bastards (aka politicians)
    who lament they can't survive on $250,000+ a year. They don't have a clue. Before the election, they give voters the thumbs up. Once re-elected, they
    flip us off.

    Daryl

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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to KURT WEISKE on Fri Nov 20 00:29:00 2020
    By comparison, my son fainted while at church a few years back. My
    > ex-wife took him to the hospital and failed to provide my insurance
    > info.

    A 2 hour stay. Blood pressure monitoring and one doctor visit (with a
    > 8 oz. can of fruit nectar) cost $7000, in 2 separate bills - the
    > primary bill from the ER and a separate bill from the doctor who
    > spent a total of 10 minutes with my son, to the tune of $500.

    Ouch.. and those are US dollars so I can add on another 33% or so.. B)

    You hear stuff like that now and then, people in the hospitals down there and four or five doctors stick their head in the door and ask how you are feeling, and later you get a $500 bill from each of them, added on to the $100 aspirin the nurse gave you.

    I'm sure it's not like that all over but you hear the stories.. people turned away "You're not too serious" because they don't have insurance and then dying in the hospital parking lot..

    We run into a lot of Americans up here who come up and happily pay full price for some procedure or other because, well, one example was a broken arm that cost them $900 here but they said would have cost at least $4000 at home.

    That said, there are some longer waits for non-emergent treatments up here and some Canadians drive down there and pay the price to get treated immediately.

    In both (all?) countries the rich have a better situation but I think I'd prefer to be poor in Canada than in most other countries.
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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to MIKE POWELL on Fri Nov 20 00:31:00 2020
    As I said, our system is not perfect but it doesn't bankrupt people either,
    >> plus our non-profit hospitals generally do the same procedures at about 1/4
    >> the cost of having the same thing done in the USA so Someone is getting ric
    >> down there off of the backs of sick people.

    So what you are saying is that I should have tried getting all of my
    >injuries and illnesses compressed into the week or so that I was in Canada
    >back in 2017? :D

    That or, given the cost of some things, it might be worth the drive at any time.. B)
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to ROB MCCART on Sat Nov 21 10:45:00 2020
    So what you are saying is that I should have tried getting all of my
    >injuries and illnesses compressed into the week or so that I was in Canada
    >back in 2017? :D

    That or, given the cost of some things, it might be worth the drive at any time.. B)

    So if I show up with a broken leg that maybe was not obtained in Canada it would be covered? From my one border crossing experience, I suspect the Canadian boarder guards would pick up on that. :)

    Mike


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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Nov 23 00:22:00 2020
    So what you are saying is that I should have tried getting all of my
    >> >injuries and illnesses compressed into the week or so that I was in Cana
    >> >back in 2017? :D

    That or, given the cost of some things, it might be worth the drive at any
    >> time.. B)

    So if I show up with a broken leg that maybe was not obtained in Canada it
    >would be covered? From my one border crossing experience, I suspect the
    >Canadian boarder guards would pick up on that. :)

    Interesting question.. There shouldn't be a problem with you coming up here to pay for health care but there would be if you were coming up here with no
    means to pay for it. I've been questioned by the US border guards about my ability to pay for my stay down south so I suppose these things do come up.

    In my case I was heading down for an extended stay and they figured I was far too young to be spending months in the USA with no guaranteed source of
    income. One assumes they figured I was going to head down and take jobs away from hard working Americans picking oranges in Florida or something.. B) (This was back when I was about 32 years old)

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to ROB MCCART on Tue Nov 24 14:21:00 2020
    Interesting question.. There shouldn't be a problem with you coming up here to >pay for health care but there would be if you were coming up here with no >means to pay for it. I've been questioned by the US border guards about my >ability to pay for my stay down south so I suppose these things do come up.

    In my case I was heading down for an extended stay and they figured I was far >too young to be spending months in the USA with no guaranteed source of >income. One assumes they figured I was going to head down and take jobs away >from hard working Americans picking oranges in Florida or something.. B) >(This was back when I was about 32 years old)

    I was 47 and got questioned pretty good by the Canadian border guards who
    were apparently worried about the length of my trip in distance (driving from Kentucky to a crossing south of Thunder Bay) and my plans to stay for a
    week. Apparently they don't get a lot of Americans who plan to drive
    across the Northern shore of Lake Superior. :)

    I met a lot of Canadians who were shocked that I wasn't there to visit
    Toronto. :)


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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Nov 26 00:28:00 2020
    I was 47 and got questioned pretty good by the Canadian border guards who
    >were apparently worried about the length of my trip in distance (driving from
    >Kentucky to a crossing south of Thunder Bay) and my plans to stay for a
    >week. Apparently they don't get a lot of Americans who plan to drive
    >across the Northern shore of Lake Superior. :)

    I met a lot of Canadians who were shocked that I wasn't there to visit
    >Toronto. :)

    Having lived most of my life prior to age 32 either in Toronto or within a 20 minute drive of Toronto I can heartily concur with any plans that involve avoiding it.. B)

    That said, my opinion is based more on large cities in general than Toronto specifically. I lived for about 11 years in a city with over 160,000 people
    and always said that when it got to the point where there was no reason one could not make a left turn at a set of lights but there was a sign there
    saying a left turn wasn't legal, it was time to start planning to move..

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  • From Jay Harris@618:500/23 to Rob Mccart on Thu Nov 26 13:21:36 2020
    On 26 Nov 2020, Rob Mccart said the following...

    That said, my opinion is based more on large cities in general than Torontospecifically. I lived for about 11 years in a city with over 160,000 peopleand always said that when it got to the point where there was no reason onecould not make a left turn at a set of lights but there was a sign theresaying a left turn wasn't legal, it was time to start planning to move..

    That's what Hamilton is turning in to. They've been lowering the speed limits on pretty much every street. I can understand lowering the speed limit in residential neighbourhoods & school zones, but main roads where you have two lanes in each direction, with a centre turning lane? It used to be 70 and now it's 50.

    They've even lowered the school zones from 40 to 30. That's pretty much just take your foot off of the gas & coast speed. (30 kp/h is 18.6 mp/h for our American friends).

    They've also started installing photo radar boxes all over the city, but they're only active in select neighbourhoods at the moment.

    The kicker for me is when they lowered the limit from 80 to 60 on a back country road with nothing but sod farms on either side of the road... >:(


    Pretty soon I'm going to be yelling at the kids to get off of my lawn...


    Jay

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Rob Mccart on Thu Nov 26 12:58:57 2020
    Re: Re: I don't mow the lawn
    By: Rob Mccart to MIKE POWELL on Thu Nov 26 2020 12:28 am

    Having lived most of my life prior to age 32 either in Toronto or within a 20 minute drive of Toronto I can heartily concur with any plans that involve avoiding it.. B)

    Is it true that the correct pronunciation is Tronno? My wife seems to think so, she spent some time there in her youth.
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  • From Jay Harris@618:500/23 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Nov 26 19:37:31 2020
    On 26 Nov 2020, Kurt Weiske said the following...

    Is it true that the correct pronunciation is Tronno? My wife seems to think so,she spent some time there in her youth.

    Yeah, you don't pronounce the 2nd T. Torono.

    If you do pronounce it, we know you're a tourist. ;)


    Jay

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  • From Tiny@618:500/32 to Jay Harris on Fri Nov 27 10:02:46 2020
    Jay Harris wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    They've also started installing photo radar boxes all over the city,
    but they're only active in select neighbourhoods at the moment.

    One driver where I work racked up $400 in fines the first month. LOL
    I've been lucky so far, but most of us have at least $85 in fines.
    Now when dispatch says "Make up time on this?" we answer "Only if you
    pay the ticket."

    Shawn

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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to Jay Harris on Fri Nov 27 12:53:00 2020
    Jay,

    The kicker for me is when they lowered the limit from 80 to 60 on a
    back country road with nothing but sod farms on either side of the
    road... >:(

    The speed limit is 25 in front of the local college, but if you drive
    25 there, you'll get run over, or shot at.

    Daryl

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Jay Harris on Sat Nov 28 06:54:00 2020
    Hello Jay!

    ** On Thursday 26.11.20 - 19:37, Jay Harris wrote to Kurt Weiske:

    Is it true that the correct pronunciation is Tronno? My
    wife seems to think so,she spent some time there in her
    youth.

    Yeah, you don't pronounce the 2nd T. Torono.

    If you do pronounce it, we know you're a tourist. ;)

    That may be true for some, but I can tell you that people
    who's 1st language is not English (but are residents of
    Toronto/Ontario - and not tourists) would pronounce the 2nd T.

    Although I was born in the Toronto area, my 1st language is
    not English. Many of my ethnic group would pronounce the 2nd T
    when speaking to others. However, *I* learned to pronounce it
    Torono when speaking to outsiders, and pronouncing the 2nd T
    when not speaking English.

    So, when the 2nd T is pronounced, it it not necessarily a
    tourist. ;)



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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to JAY HARRIS on Sat Nov 28 01:03:00 2020
    I always said that when it got to the point where there
    was no reason onecould not make a left turn at a set of lights but there was a sign there saying a left turn wasn't legal, it was time to start planning to move..

    That's what Hamilton is turning in to. They've been lowering the speed limit
    >n pretty much every street. I can understand lowering the speed limit in res
    >ntial neighbourhoods & school zones, but main roads where you have two lanes
    >each direction, with a centre turning lane? It used to be 70 and now it's 50

    They've even lowered the school zones from 40 to 30. That's pretty much just
    >ke your foot off of the gas & coast speed. (30 kp/h is 18.6 mp/h for our Amer
    >n friends).

    They've also started installing photo radar boxes all over the city, but they
    > only active in select neighbourhoods at the moment.

    The kicker for me is when they lowered the limit from 80 to 60 on a back coun
    > road with nothing but sod farms on either side of the road... >:(

    I'm on Georgian Bay these days, not too far from Parry Sound. The road coming in has few houses and at times odd things like Turtle Crossing signs and boxes on the side of the road protecting the nests that the turtles have made.

    They've lowered the speed limit on the paved road there to 50 kph and anywhere within blocks of a school in Parry Sound is now a 40 kph zone and they keep adding stop signs for no apparent reason other than to break up traffic. You could understand it if a kid had ever been hit by a car but I don't recall
    ever hearing of one..

    For those who don't know the area, Parry Sound is the centre for a large
    area but only has a population of about 6900 people, not counting the extra tourists in summer..

    The 'District' of Parry Sound covers about 3500 sq miles and has a year round rural population of about 44,000 people..
    22 Covid cases since this mess first started.
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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to KURT WEISKE on Sat Nov 28 01:01:00 2020
    Is it true that the correct pronunciation is Tronno? My wife seems to think s
    >she spent some time there in her youth.

    Yes, that's pretty close although we don't think about it while saying it..

    It's a lot like people down there from Connecticut or New Orleans.. B)
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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to Rob Mccart on Sun Nov 29 01:37:00 2020
    Rob,

    It's a lot like people down there from Connecticut or New Orleans..

    That reminds of the joke where these tourists were in New Orleans,
    and they were arguing over the correct pronounciation of it...was it
    New Ore Lee Anns, Nawlins, New Orlins, etc.??

    Well, they decided to walk into a local fast food restaurant, as they
    felt like an employee could tell them the correct pronounciation.

    Before they ordered their food, they asked for the manager...and said
    to him "Please say, real slowly, where we are, right now"...hoping he'd
    tell them the correct pronounciation.

    Slowly, and distinctly, he intoned "Burr Gurr King". <G>

    Now that was a Whopper of an answer...pun intended. ;)

    Daryl

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