• Side Effects Of This Med

    From Sean Dennis@618:618/10 to August Abolins on Mon Feb 1 16:11:02 2021
    August Abolins wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Most meds do a number on your kidneys and liver.

    Yeah, similar to what diabetes meds do to your kidneys and liver.

    I heard that Australia does too.

    "The United States and New Zealand are the only countries where drug
    makers are allowed to market prescription drugs directly to consumers.
    The U.S. consumer drug advertising boom on television began in 1997,
    when the FDA relaxed its guidelines relating to broadcast media."

    From https://tinyurl.com/y9gsqspt (harvard.edu)

    I didn't know it was that recent for the US.

    Don't you mean the other way around: 45 sec on benefits and 15
    sec on effects and warnings (and often in micro print)?

    No, it's the exact opposite in the US. Then it's "talk to your doctor
    to see if <drug> is right for YOU." A lot of people don't realize that
    in the US, doctors are paid to prescribe brand-name drugs. It's a
    really dirty business. Makes the Mafia look honest by comparison.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to SEAN DENNIS on Tue Feb 2 16:43:00 2021
    "The United States and New Zealand are the only countries where drug
    makers are allowed to market prescription drugs directly to consumers.
    The U.S. consumer drug advertising boom on television began in 1997,
    when the FDA relaxed its guidelines relating to broadcast media."

    I think that corresponds to the approximate time that drugs like viagra hit
    the market. They really, really wanted to be able to market those kinds of drugs. I can remember when those were about the only kind you saw ads for.
    Now I rarely see them or, if I do, I don't realize it.

    Mike


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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/10 to Mike Powell on Tue Feb 2 19:31:00 2021
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    I think that corresponds to the approximate time that drugs like viagra hit the market. They really, really wanted to be able to market those kinds of drugs. I can remember when those were about the only kind you saw ads for.
    Now I rarely see them or, if I do, I don't realize it.

    That makes sense. I rarely watch network TV but when I do, I'm watching
    reruns of "Knight Rider" and "CHiPs". <G>

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Sean Dennis on Wed Feb 3 00:37:03 2021
    On 02 Feb 21 19:31:00, Sean Dennis said the following to Mike Powell:

    I think that corresponds to the approximate time that drugs like viagr hit the market. They really, really wanted to be able to market those kinds of drugs. I can remember when those were about the only kind yo saw ads for.
    Now I rarely see them or, if I do, I don't realize it.

    That makes sense. I rarely watch network TV but when I do, I'm watching reruns of "Knight Rider" and "CHiPs". <G>

    If you're talking about that "Action TV" station, I get that via. OTA here.

    Magnum PI reruns alongside those two shows mentioned...

    Nick

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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to Sean Dennis on Tue Feb 2 06:23:00 2021
    Sean,

    No, it's the exact opposite in the US. Then it's "talk to your doctor
    to see if <drug> is right for YOU." A lot of people don't realize that
    in the US, doctors are paid to prescribe brand-name drugs. It's a
    really dirty business. Makes the Mafia look honest by comparison.

    You're right about that. The reasons the prescription drugs are so high
    are:

    1) Big Pharma sends out drug representatives to wine and dine the staffs
    at clinics, then in exchange for "a free lunch" (so much for Robert
    Heinlein's TANSTAFFL), they listen to their product spiel. Some clinics
    have "restricted hours" for these "drug reps".

    2) The prices for ads in radio, TV, print, and the internet.

    So, they do all they can to keep drugs from going generic.

    Daryl

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  • From Tiny@618:500/32 to Nick Andre on Wed Feb 3 08:56:22 2021
    Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    If you're talking about that "Action TV" station, I get that via. OTA here.
    Magnum PI reruns alongside those two shows mentioned...

    In the woods we get a station ota that just plays re runs of CSI type shows.
    We got sucked in a couple evenings... "Okay just one more" and next thing you
    know the sun is coming up.

    Ion station "It's positively charged."
    Shawn

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Daryl Stout on Wed Feb 3 08:41:10 2021
    Re: Side Effects Of This Med
    By: Daryl Stout to Sean Dennis on Tue Feb 02 2021 06:23 am

    Sean,

    No, it's the exact opposite in the US. Then it's "talk to your doctor to see if <drug> is right for YOU." A lot of people don't realize that in the US, doctors are paid to prescribe brand-name drugs. It's a really dirty business. Makes the Mafia look honest by comparison.

    You're right about that. The reasons the prescription drugs are so high are:

    1) Big Pharma sends out drug representatives to wine and dine the staffs
    at clinics, then in exchange for "a free lunch" (so much for Robert Heinlein's TANSTAFFL), they listen to their product spiel. Some clinics
    have "restricted hours" for these "drug reps".

    2) The prices for ads in radio, TV, print, and the internet.

    So, they do all they can to keep drugs from going generic.

    Daryl

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    Here we have lots of representatives from laboratories and prothesis manufacturers show up.

    The most common negotiation with them seems to be "Your material is too expensive, if you can't cut us a special price people is not gonna be able to afford it."

    Social Security will gladly pay the laboratories for lots of medications whether they are necessary or not. What you see in certain pharmacies is shameful. Some grandpa
    will go in and start putting things in his bag, then discard at the counter anything that he is told is notcovered by social sec (even if it is worth 1.25 bucks). They
    essentially take more than they need by large margins. In many cases they ship those meds to countries in which there is shortage (like a good chunk of South America)
    and sell them there for great profit.

    So I doubt pharmas in Spain find it very profiteable to purchase a doctor since their main customer is the government.

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  • From Bob Roberts@618:300/36 to Sean Dennis on Wed Feb 3 09:26:26 2021
    That makes sense. I rarely watch network TV but when I do, I'm watching reruns of "Knight Rider" and "CHiPs". <G>

    The best part of CHiPs are those empty, clean, beautiful LA freeways.

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to BOB ROBERTS on Wed Feb 3 13:55:00 2021
    That makes sense. I rarely watch network TV but when I do, I'm watching reruns of "Knight Rider" and "CHiPs". <G>

    The best part of CHiPs are those empty, clean, beautiful LA freeways.

    Was that historically accurate for the 1970's or were they just out filming
    the show when the freeways were empty or closed?

    I never thought of it but now that you mention it I wonder. :)

    Mike


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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/10 to Nick Andre on Wed Feb 3 17:54:08 2021
    Hello Nick,

    Wednesday February 03 2021 00:37, you wrote to me:

    If you're talking about that "Action TV" station, I get that via. OTA here.

    Magnum PI reruns alongside those two shows mentioned...

    I think it's the same channel but called "Charge" (I think) here in the States.

    Lots of OTA here that's good but my parents' antenna died and can't rotate around anymore. When I can, I'd love to get a little USB TV tuner for my laptop. Would love to have something else to watch besides Amazon Prime, YouTube, and Tubi.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/10 to Daryl Stout on Wed Feb 3 17:56:54 2021
    Hello Daryl,

    Tuesday February 02 2021 06:23, you wrote to me:

    So, they do all they can to keep drugs from going generic.

    That and overprescribe medications for conditions that don't really need it a la Oxycontin.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/10 to Bob Roberts on Wed Feb 3 17:57:47 2021
    Hello Bob,

    Wednesday February 03 2021 09:26, you wrote to me:

    The best part of CHiPs are those empty, clean, beautiful LA freeways.

    IIRC, they filmed a lot of the road scenes on a then-new-and-closed freeway (the actual number isn't coming to mind). My mom, who is a California native (I am too!), remembers open spaces and nice freeways. Then came the 80s, heh.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Bob Roberts@618:300/36 to Sean Dennis on Wed Feb 3 15:47:32 2021
    The best part of CHiPs are those empty, clean, beautiful LA
    freeways.

    IIRC, they filmed a lot of the road scenes on a then-new-and-closed freeway (the actual number isn't coming to mind). My mom, who is a California native (I am too!), remembers open spaces and nice freeways. Then came the 80s, heh.

    Hey, you're right. Accordinging to Wikipedia's CHiPS page (and yes, there is one...)

    "Production made use of then recently-completed (but not yet opened to the public) section of freeways in the Los Angeles area. For Season 1, the intersection of Interstate 210 and California State Route 2 in La Canada Flintridge was used often (along with a short stretch of Highway 2). For Season 2, a section of Interstate 210 five miles to the west in La Crescenta, California was used, until it too was opened to the public. For Seasons 3 - 5, the filming location was moved another 10 miles to the west, to the intersection of the Interstate 210 and California State Route 118 in Sylmar, California. When that section of freeway was finally opened, production shifted again to a short stub of a highway in Long Beach, California, as well as a long stretch of Pershing Drive, near Los Angeles International Airport."

    I guess the reason they were clean is they were brand new.

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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to Mike Powell on Tue Feb 2 23:52:00 2021
    Mike,

    I think that corresponds to the approximate time that drugs like viagra hit the market. They really, really wanted to be able to market those kinds of drugs. I can remember when those were about the only kind you saw ads for.
    Now I rarely see them or, if I do, I don't realize it.

    The following tagline comes to mind. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to Sean Dennis on Wed Feb 3 18:52:00 2021
    Sean,

    So, they do all they can to keep drugs from going generic.

    That and overprescribe medications for conditions that don't really
    need it a la Oxycontin.

    The strongest medication I have here is 400 milligrams of Ibuprofen.
    But just one of those, or Zofarin (sp?) for nausea, can knock me out in
    10 minutes.

    Daryl

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Daryl Stout on Thu Feb 4 08:03:00 2021
    Hello Daryl!

    ** On Wednesday 03.02.21 - 18:52, Daryl Stout wrote to Sean Dennis:

    The strongest medication I have here is 400 milligrams of
    Ibuprofen. But just one of those, or Zofarin (sp?) for
    nausea, can knock me out in 10 minutes.

    I took a 500mg acetominephen the other day. Is that less potent
    than 400mg ibuprofen?

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to DARYL STOUT on Thu Feb 4 14:57:00 2021
    I think that corresponds to the approximate time that drugs like viagra hit the market. They really, really wanted to be able to market those kinds of drugs. I can remember when those were about the only kind you saw ads for.
    Now I rarely see them or, if I do, I don't realize it.

    The following tagline comes to mind. <G>

    ... When you cross Bounty and Viagra, you get The Quicker Pecker Upper.

    Yep! :)

    Mike


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  • From Warpslide@618:500/23 to Daryl Stout on Thu Feb 4 15:56:54 2021
    On 03 Feb 2021, Daryl Stout said the following...

    The strongest medication I have here is 400 milligrams of Ibuprofen.
    But just one of those, or Zofarin (sp?) for nausea, can knock me out in
    10 minutes.

    I remember when I was a teenager, we were going to a youth conference for the church I was in at the time. This years location happened to be about a 6 hour drive away. I don't normally get car sick, but I was feeling pretty green that day. One of the adults in the car gave me something to help with the nausea (Gravol a.k.a Dramamine).

    Like you I was out like a light after taking that, and even better I slept the entire 6 hours. All I remember is being woken up by one of my friends saying "we're here, get up!" - It was quite disorienting, but also a relief I didn't have to experience that long car trip. :)


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  • From Daryl Stout@618:250/33 to August Abolins on Thu Feb 4 18:31:00 2021
    August,

    The strongest medication I have here is 400 milligrams of
    Ibuprofen. But just one of those, or Zofarin (sp?) for
    nausea, can knock me out in 10 minutes.

    I took a 500mg acetominephen the other day. Is that less potent
    than 400mg ibuprofen?

    I'm not medically qualified to answer that question...sorry.

    Daryl

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Daryl Stout on Thu Feb 4 06:57:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    1) Big Pharma sends out drug representatives to wine and dine the
    staffs at clinics, then in exchange for "a free lunch" (so much for
    Robert Heinlein's TANSTAFFL), they listen to their product spiel. Some clinics have "restricted hours" for these "drug reps".


    My mom was an office manager for years. There wasn't much wining and dining for the staff, but lots of free samples to get the doctors to prescribe them to patients.

    2) The prices for ads in radio, TV, print, and the internet.

    And preying on people's use of search engines and hypochondria. Doc, I saw a commercial, and I have all of the symptoms they described. I must have XXX
    and need drug XXX!

    So, they do all they can to keep drugs from going generic.

    I'm more concerned about companies raising the prices on existing drugs
    whose R&D is already paid for, like insulin. Companies have the right to be compensated for development of drug formulations, but at a certain point a drug price needs to stabilize - especially a life-sustaining drug like insulin.

    The doctor who formulated it refused to put his name on a patent for a drug that was needed to save lives, and instead his co-founders sold the patent
    for $1.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Bob Roberts on Thu Feb 4 06:59:00 2021
    Bob Roberts wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    The best part of CHiPs are those empty, clean, beautiful LA freeways.

    And the roller disco episode!

    I wonder now how much those multi-car pile-ups (that seemed to happen every episode) cost.

    I spent my childhood watching ChiPs and Emergency, thought LA must have
    been a dangerous place to live. :)


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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Sean Dennis on Thu Feb 4 07:00:00 2021
    Sean Dennis wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    Lots of OTA here that's good but my parents' antenna died and can't
    rotate around anymore. When I can, I'd love to get a little USB TV
    tuner for my laptop. Would love to have something else to watch
    besides Amazon Prime, YouTube, and Tubi.

    I'm pretty sure the Roku channels stream on their web site - Pluto TV, Filmrise, to name a couple, might.

    Have you checked out KODI? Load it on there and you might be able to find
    more streaming channels through it, as well as play any media you have.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Bob Roberts on Thu Feb 4 07:01:00 2021
    Bob Roberts wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I guess the reason they were clean is they were brand new.

    The Matrix sequels built a mobius loop of freeway on the old Alameda Naval
    Air Station grounds. I was living in Oakland and taking the ferry past it every day to my job in San Francisco at the time.

    During the movie you can see the same exit signs multiple times, and see San Francisco in the background.
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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Feb 5 10:37:18 2021
    On 04 Feb 21 07:01:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Bob Roberts:

    The Matrix sequels built a mobius loop of freeway on the old Alameda Naval Air Station grounds. I was living in Oakland and taking the ferry past it every day to my job in San Francisco at the time.

    During the movie you can see the same exit signs multiple times, and see Sa Francisco in the background.

    That sounds like the Flintstones or any Hannah Barbara cartoon where chase-scenes use the same backgrounds over and over again...

    Nick

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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/10 to Mike Powell on Fri Feb 5 18:02:08 2021
    Mike Powell wrote to BOB ROBERTS <=-

    Was that historically accurate for the 1970's or were they just out filming the show when the freeways were empty or closed?

    These were newly-built closed freeways at the time.

    I am really wanting to try to scrape up enough money to get a USB TV
    tuner and an antenna for my laptop. Unfortunately, I'm getting all of
    $96 for a federal tax return for last year so no goodies for me.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Bob Roberts@618:300/36 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Feb 7 10:12:45 2021
    The Matrix sequels built a mobius loop of freeway on the old Alameda Naval
    Air Station grounds. I was living in Oakland and taking the ferry past it every day to my job in San Francisco at the time.

    Yeah, I heard about that. Pretty cool.

    They were filming Matrix 4 up here right before Covid shut it all down. They had dudes hanging from wires at the top of the high-rises in the FiDi. Buses driving around at night torn in half, motorcycle chases.

    Bob Roberts
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