I thought this article was worth posting and up for debate. Are you getting the flu-shot or Not?

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Flu shots are already considered an important factor in combating the coronavirus pandemic, since widespread inoculations will hopefully help prevent medical facilities from becoming overwhelmed by dual diseases. But new research suggests flu shots may also play some role in preventing COVID-19 infections in the first place, The Scientific American reports.A study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, found that workers at Radboud University Medical Center in the Netherlands who received a flu shot during the 2019-20 season were 39 percent less likely than their colleagues to test positive for the coronavirus as of June 1, 2020. Non-vaccinated employees contracted the virus at a 2.23 percent rate, compared to only 1.33 percent of those who were vaccinated.The preliminary research would certainly require further clinical trials - though the author of the study noted it would be unethical to compel a control group of subjects to be denied a flu shot - and there could be several reasons why the vaccinated group staved off infection more easily, including the possibility that they are generally more health conscious and took more COVID-19 precautions.Still, there have been other studies that hint at a possible link between flu shots (and other vaccines, for that matter) and lower COVID-19 risk. Additionally, the Radboud research team conducted a laboratory experiment in which they took blood cells from healthy individuals, purified them, and exposed some of them to a flu vaccine. After allowing the cells to grow for a few days, the researchers exposed them to the coronavirus. A day later they found that the vaccinated cells produced more of several kinds of immune molecules that fight off pathogens than those that were initially left alone. Read more at The Scientific American.More stories from theweek.com How to make an election crisis 64 things President Trump has said about women Republicans are on the verge of a spectacular upside-down achievement

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I thought this article was worth posting and up for debate. Are you getting the flu-shot or Not?

I always get the seasonal flu shot, and encourage everyone to get one. I got it early this year -- the first day it was available from my healthcare provider. Their flu shot clinic is drive thru this year, so very easy. And it's free too.

Getting the seasonal flu shot is extra important this year to reduce load on hospitals so they can deal with the Covid patients.

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Steve Wolf wrote to All <=-

I thought this article was worth posting and up for debate. Are
you getting the flu-shot or Not?

Already got one, and do every year. I think it's extra important
to do so this year.



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Re: Re: Flu-Shot or Not
By: Gamgee to Steve Wolf on Thu Oct 29 2020 09:41 pm

Steve Wolf wrote to All <=-

I thought this article was worth posting and up for debate. Are
you getting the flu-shot or Not?

Already got one, and do every year. I think it's extra important
to do so this year.

... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.

Something I have realized is that a lot of people talks about the vaccines, but nobody talks about other preventive or mitigating factors.

With all the virus crisis going on, we have been running lots of analysis on risk patients and everybody is turning out with severe deficits in certain vitamins and minerals, some of which are known to be associated with virus resistence.

I think everybody who is concerned as to take the vaccine should consider taking a month worth of zinc, vitamin D3 and probably vitamin C. This stuff is flying from the shelves so badlñy these days... we ran out of it in the warehouse and there are supply problems here for some of those.

Take care.

Bonus points: zinc is great for people who is going bald. It also helps keeping your hooves thick and strong.


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With all the virus crisis going on, we have been running lots of analysis on risk patients and everybody is turning out with severe deficits in certain vitamins and minerals, some of which are known to be associated with virus resistence.

Agree. I started taking a daily Vit D suppliment a month ago because my blood test showed my levels in the lower range. I've heard magnesium is a good one to take too.

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Re: Re: Flu-Shot or Not
By: Bob Roberts to Arelor on Fri Oct 30 2020 10:59 am

With all the virus crisis going on, we have been running lots of analys on risk patients and everybody is turning out with severe deficits in certain vitamins and minerals, some of which are known to be associated with virus resistence.

Agree. I started taking a daily Vit D suppliment a month ago because my blo test showed my levels in the lower range. I've heard magnesium is a good on to take too.

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... It would be illogical to assume that all conditions remain stable.

Magnesium is great. We have lots of patients on a mix of vit C + Magnesium + D + Hialuronic. But that mix is essentially for joint pains.

If you are taking vit D you may look into vit K. We have observed that people taking a mix of D+K has a much better level of D than those who take only D.

So much for $me, the dumb sysadmin of the clinic :-)

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Re: Re: Flu-Shot or Not
By: Arelor to Gamgee on Fri Oct 30 2020 03:54 am

Steve Wolf wrote to All <=-

I thought this article was worth posting and up for debate. Are
you getting the flu-shot or Not?

Already got one, and do every year. I think it's extra important
to do so this year.

I normally don't get it but I wasn't aware it could help with Covid so I will definetly get it. I also started Vitamin D tabs and Vitamin B12 injections.

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I normally don't get it but I wasn't aware it could help with Covid so I will
efinetly get it. I also started Vitamin D tabs and Vitamin B12 injections.

I don't know that it does help with wuhan coronavirus so much as it helps
the doctor rule the flu out if you do get sick.

Mike


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Re: Re: Flu-Shot or Not
By: Mike Powell to STEVE WOLF on Sat Oct 31 2020 11:37 am

I normally don't get it but I wasn't aware it could help with Covid so I will efinetly get it. I also started Vitamin D tabs and Vitamin B12 injections.

I don't know that it does help with wuhan coronavirus so much as it helps the doctor rule the flu out if you do get sick.

I don't know what's going on. I've never seen such a conflict of interest in my life. How is a possible the White House and Democrats can be so far apart? COVID is no big deal. OMG We're all gonna die from Covid. Mail-in Ballots are crooked. It's a fake election. No No.. there's no proof of that. Voters are turning out in millions to vote against Trump. No voters want to make sure Trump is re-elected. We have nothing but love for each other. NO NO there's too much HATE and Trump caused it all by building a wall. Oh and BTW wearing a mask don't do shit. It's all a scam.

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I think everybody who is concerned as to take the vaccine should consider taking a month worth of zinc, vitamin D3 and probably vitamin C. This
stuff is flying from the shelves so badl y these days... we ran out of it in the warehouse and there are supply problems here for some of those.

Agreed! Taking the above vitamins and keeping your immune system healthy should be first and foremost.

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Re: Re: Flu-Shot or Not
By: Mark Hofmann to Arelor on Sun Nov 08 2020 10:47 am

I think everybody who is concerned as to take the vaccine should
consider taking a month worth of zinc, vitamin D3 and probably vitamin
C. This stuff is flying from the shelves so badl y these days... we ran out of it in the warehouse and there are supply problems here for some
of those.

Agreed! Taking the above vitamins and keeping your immune system healthy should be first and foremost.

After hearing about the vaccination and the need to keep it at -90 F vitamins seem to be a much better choice.

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After hearing about the vaccination and the need to keep it at -90 F vitamins seem to be a much better choice.

It's not an either/or equation. You need the vitamins to help, hopefully, reduce the symptoms if you get infected. Until then, and even after, you need the vaccine to hopefully prevent infection. Even with a vaccine, vitamins are a good idea.

This is just one of the vaccines, there will be others. They won't all require deep freeze for transport.

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Steve Wolf wrote to Mark Hofmann <=-

After hearing about the vaccination and the need to keep it at -90 F vitamins seem to be a much better choice.

Zinc at the onset of any symptoms, Echinacea daily, big doses of
Vitamin C and lots of water got me through a couple of cold and
flu-ridden winters when I was working in desktop support, touching
everyone's keyboard and mouse - the employees were all young,
overworked and varyingly sick.

That regimen and washing my hands often got me through those winters
without getting sick once.






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Hello Bob,

Tuesday November 10 2020 11:17, you wrote to Steve Wolf:

This is just one of the vaccines, there will be others. They won't
all require deep freeze for transport.

When I caught COVID-19 in October, I was given azithromycin, zinc, and Vitamin C (I am taking about 7000 IUs of D3 daily for my Charcot foot). That made a huge difference in the severity and speed of recovery for me.

I'm skipping the vaccine. SARS-CoV-2 is a coronavirus and like the common cold in the same family, coronaviruses mutate rapidly. There's good reasons why we don't have a vaccine for the common cold. The vaccine is a moneymaker for Big Pharma and the NIH (which is just a governmental patent clearing house now). There's cheaper and much more effective drugs that work on the SARS-CoV-2 virus but there's no money in it.

Besides, after being in the Army, I've been experimented enough for my lifetime. Time to let other people who trust our government to be guinea pigs.

(Fun fact: nearly 23 of the genes on your body are patented.)

Later,
Sean

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Hello Sean!

** On Wednesday 13.01.21 - 18:02, Sean Dennis wrote to Bob Roberts:

I'm skipping the vaccine. SARS-CoV-2 is a coronavirus and
like the common cold in the same family, coronaviruses
mutate rapidly. There's good reasons why we don't have a
vaccine for the common cold. The vaccine is a moneymaker
for Big Pharma and the NIH (which is just a governmental
patent clearing house now). There's cheaper and much more
effective drugs that work on the SARS-CoV-2 virus but
there's no money in it.

The Canadian gov't wants to INSIST on vaccinating the
indigenious populations in a priority event. Nevermind that
their regions (northern Canada) did not experience any breakouts
like those in the other provinces. Seems like an opportunity to
just use the indigineous as guinea pigs - and see what happens.

Besides, after being in the Army, I've been experimented
enough for my lifetime. Time to let other people who trust
our government to be guinea pigs.

(Fun fact: nearly 23 of the genes on your body are
patented.)

The "documenting" of the gene info may be patented for purposes
of cloning things like skin cells or something. But is it akin
to what Monsanto is/was trying to do and patent all foods and
therefore control the food industry or take away the privilege
of growing your own food?


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The Canadian gov't wants to INSIST on vaccinating the
indigenious populations in a priority event. Nevermind that
their regions (northern Canada) did not experience any breakouts
like those in the other provinces. Seems like an opportunity to
just use the indigineous as guinea pigs - and see what happens.

Yep!

"We didn't kill you with our European diseases when we settled the area, so
we will get you now."

Mike


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Hello August,

Thursday January 14 2021 00:54, you wrote to me:

The Canadian gov't wants to INSIST on vaccinating the
indigenious populations in a priority event. Nevermind that
their regions (northern Canada) did not experience any breakouts
like those in the other provinces. Seems like an opportunity to
just use the indigineous as guinea pigs - and see what happens.

Here in the US, they're forcing nursing home patients, healthcare workers, DoD employees, and others to get the vaccine(s). They're using vunerable people as guinea pigs too unfortunately.

The "documenting" of the gene info may be patented for purposes
of cloning things like skin cells or something. But is it akin
to what Monsanto is/was trying to do and patent all foods and
therefore control the food industry or take away the privilege
of growing your own food?

No, it's more than that. They're literally trying to patent the human body for eugenics purposes and, going with what you said, possibly trying to take away your basic human right of control over your own body.

Sad.

Later,
Sean

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Re: Flu-Shot or Not
By: Mike Powell to AUGUST ABOLINS on Thu Jan 14 2021 02:39 pm

The Canadian gov't wants to INSIST on vaccinating the
indigenious populations in a priority event. Nevermind that
their regions (northern Canada) did not experience any breakouts
like those in the other provinces. Seems like an opportunity to
just use the indigineous as guinea pigs - and see what happens.

Yep!

"We didn't kill you with our European diseases when we settled the area, so we will get you now."

Mike

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Well, it is better than "We didn't kill you with European diseases, so take some Asian disease instead"

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Well, it is better than "We didn't kill you with European diseases, so take some Asian disease instead"

Agreed!

Mike


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Arelor wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Well, it is better than "We didn't kill you with European diseases, so take some Asian disease instead"

Asia, specifically China, has been the hotbed of disease development for centuries, not just in modern times.

I think that the Kung Flu was an accidental release but the "powers that be" saw it as the perfect vector to try to push all of their batshit (no pun intended) crazy world control ideas. You know, never let a crisis go to waste kinda thing.

Later,
Sean


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