• The Brittish Medical Journal is flagged as a fake news blog site

    From Arelor@618:250/24 to All on Sat Dec 18 08:29:16 2021
    Hello,

    Apparently, Facebook has decided they are a better source of information than the Brittish Medical Journal and has flagged an article of theirs as poisonous missinformation. Well, not Facebook itself, but one of these fact-checking agencies everybody is following these days.

    More information at
    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

    (This was pointed out to me by jrmu at IRCNow)

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  • From TheCivvie@618:500/14.1 to Arelor on Sat Dec 18 16:30:02 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    18 Dec 21 08:29, you wrote to all:

    Hello,

    Apparently, Facebook has decided they are a better source of
    information than the Brittish Medical Journal and has flagged an
    article of theirs as poisonous missinformation. Well, not Facebook
    itself, but one of these fact-checking agencies everybody is following these days.

    More information at
    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

    (This was pointed out to me by jrmu at IRCNow)

    Time to exit that sinking pile of poop. It is just a home to wild conspiracy teories these days

    TheCivvie


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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to Arelor on Sat Dec 18 13:02:18 2021
    Apparently, Facebook has decided they are a better source of information than the Brittish Medical Journal and has flagged an article of theirs as poisonous missinformation. Well, not Facebook itself, but one of these fact-checking agencies everybody is following these days.

    More information at
    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

    (This was pointed out to me by jrmu at IRCNow)

    Maybe some proof that the fact checkers have some bias and/or don't want to go against a narrative?

    Mike
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to TheCivvie on Sat Dec 18 12:06:54 2021
    Re: The Brittish Medical Journal is flagged as a fake news blog site
    By: TheCivvie to Arelor on Sat Dec 18 2021 04:30 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    18 Dec 21 08:29, you wrote to all:

    Hello,

    Apparently, Facebook has decided they are a better source of information than the Brittish Medical Journal and has flagged an article of theirs as poisonous missinformation. Well, not Facebook itself, but one of these fact-checking agencies everybody is following these days.

    More information at
    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

    (This was pointed out to me by jrmu at IRCNow)

    Time to exit that sinking pile of poop. It is just a home to wild conspiracy teories these days

    TheCivvie

    I used to have a Facebook account when I was trying to promote my books over there.

    Soon I realized Facebook was taking more from me than it was giving me. By that I mean it was taking time, effort and sucking my dignity dry slowly, but it was offering nothing that IRC wasn't. Therefore I piped my Facebook account into /dev/null


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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Sat Dec 18 22:37:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 18.12.21 - 12:06, Arelor wrote to TheCivvie:

    Apparently, Facebook has decided they are a better
    source of information than the Brittish Medical Journal
    [...]

    Time to exit that sinking pile of poop. It is just a home
    to wild conspiracy teories these days

    I used to have a Facebook account when I was trying to
    promote my books over there.

    I don't like that environment either, but they allow setting up auto-responders, so.. if people have a query, you can have a
    message that says, "Please visit my website for details of my
    latest book, and FREE chapters! Also, feel free to contact me
    via EMAIL."

    Soon I realized Facebook was taking more from me than it
    was giving me. By that I mean it was taking time, effort
    and sucking my dignity dry slowly, but it was offering
    nothing that IRC wasn't. Therefore I piped my Facebook
    account into /dev/null

    I've set up the autoresponder, and now I don't have to worry
    about contributing posts or articles for my shop's FB presence.

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  • From TheCivvie@618:500/14.1 to Arelor on Mon Dec 20 21:56:52 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    18 Dec 21 12:06, you wrote to me:

    Re: The Brittish Medical Journal is flagged as a fake news blog site
    By: TheCivvie to Arelor on Sat Dec 18 2021 04:30 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    18 Dec 21 08:29, you wrote to all:

    Hello,

    Apparently, Facebook has decided they are a better source of
    information than the Brittish Medical Journal and has flagged
    an

    Time to exit that sinking pile of poop. It is just a home to wild
    conspiracy teories these days

    TheCivvie

    I used to have a Facebook account when I was trying to promote my
    books over there.

    Soon I realized Facebook was taking more from me than it was giving
    me. By that I mean it was taking time, effort and sucking my dignity
    dry slowly, but it was offering nothing that IRC wasn't. Therefore I
    piped my Facebook account into /dev/null

    I take a "holiday" every so often from it and dont miss it. It is more to keep in contact with family that I do so, although recently I have started insisting on Signal or Threema for updates

    TheCivvie


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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to TheCivvie on Mon Dec 20 18:20:27 2021
    Re: The Brittish Medical Journal is flagged as a fake news blog site
    By: TheCivvie to Arelor on Mon Dec 20 2021 09:56 pm

    I take a "holiday" every so often from it and dont miss it. It is more to ke in contact with family that I do so, although recently I have started insist on Signal or Threema for updates

    TheCivvie

    I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger. They keep their Facebooks but if they want to find me online they are going to have to play with my rules.

    I am not even a hardcore Signal fan. It is just the best thing they are going to be able to use.

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Mon Dec 20 23:00:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 20.12.21 - 18:20, Arelor wrote to TheCivvie:

    I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger. They
    keep their Facebooks but if they want to find me online
    they are going to have to play with my rules.

    I am not even a hardcore Signal fan. It is just the best
    thing they are going to be able to use.

    And they wouldn't even try email? Session/Deltachat interfaces
    look the same on smartphones.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Arelor on Tue Dec 21 08:18:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to TheCivvie <=-

    I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger. They keep their Facebooks but if they want to find me online they are going to have to play with my rules.


    Ah, Christmastime - time to update grandma's laptop, check the modem, do all of the family IT stuff.

    It might be time, with family all in one place, to move to a better
    messaging platform. My family is 25% Android and 75% Apple, so I'd like to
    get a cross-platform video and secure messaging app going.


    ... Always the first steps
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Dec 21 21:46:00 2021
    Hello Kurt Weiske!

    ** On Tuesday 21.12.21 - 08:18, Kurt Weiske wrote to Arelor:

    It might be time, with family all in one place, to move to
    a better messaging platform. My family is 25% Android and
    75% Apple, so I'd like to get a cross-platform video and
    secure messaging app going.

    DeltaChat is interesting for email. Between DeltaChat clients,
    the messages are automatically encrypted.
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 22 20:04:58 2021
    Re: I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger.
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Dec 20 2021 11:00 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 20.12.21 - 18:20, Arelor wrote to TheCivvie:

    I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger. They
    keep their Facebooks but if they want to find me online
    they are going to have to play with my rules.

    I am not even a hardcore Signal fan. It is just the best
    thing they are going to be able to use.

    And they wouldn't even try email? Session/Deltachat interfaces
    look the same on smartphones.

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    My family makes extensive use of email, but email is for something else.

    Also, I was talking about Signal, not Session :-)

    I won't use my main email accoutns on a smartphone because I don't trust smartphones.
    Most of my email accounts I consider to deserve a high level of security because they
    are used for registering to web services, banking services and the like. I don't think
    consumer-grade smartphone operating systems are safe enough for managing such things.

    For starters, I don't trust the vendors. The security of the whole stack is leaky and
    it shows (you may configure a certain proxy for the system, only for some applicaiton
    to ignore it and try to connect by its own means, for example). And the whole thing
    gets EOLed before poor people like us discards the hardware which means we are likely
    to end up running unsuported systems. So, not a great deal for email

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Dec 22 20:23:54 2021
    Re: Re: The Brittish Medical Journal is flagged as a fake news blog site
    By: Kurt Weiske to Arelor on Tue Dec 21 2021 08:18 am

    Arelor wrote to TheCivvie <=-

    I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger. They keep their Facebooks
    if they want to find me online they are going to have to play with my rules.


    Ah, Christmastime - time to update grandma's laptop, check the modem, do all of th
    family IT stuff.

    It might be time, with family all in one place, to move to a better messaging platform. My family is 25% Android and 75% Apple, so I'd like to get a cross-platform video and secure messaging app going.


    ... Always the first steps

    I don't really do free IT for family anymore. My father uses some Linux I set for him,
    so he never getsserious breakages. My mother always was angry at me while I was fixing
    her problems and, once I was done, she kicked me out of the room without thanking me
    or anything, so I stopped fixing things for her.

    Signal is nice for text messages and images. It also does voice, but I can't recommend
    it for voice because if your network coverage is not good, it is unusable.

    Quality, secure, private videoconferencing is a problem still to be solved imo. There
    is Jitsi, which is FOSS and you could host oyurself if need be. The stack is a monster
    to set (and very dirty if you look at it) so people ends up using public instances.
    The problem is that you end up trusting the administrators of the public instance you
    use. This may be acceptable or not.

    Nextcloud talk is workable for 4 or less people. If you are already using Nextcloud
    and have an instance running, adding a Talk install to it may be an option. The issue
    is that stock Nextcloud cannot cope with big conferences (for legit, technical reasons) and that modifying it to cope with big groups is non trivial (to the point
    people buys a support contract for setting it up).

    I am not a fan of videoconferencing myself. It has its uses, but 95% of the time you
    only need audio. Even if you are in a meeting that requires you to deliver pictures
    and diagrams to other participants, many audiochat systems allow doing just that. I
    personally don't think the increased use of bandwidth and the complexity of implementation for video is worth it for most users*

    *Full disclosure, my connectivity sucks so the difference between Mumble and Jitsi
    with video is "It Works Great" vs "The chat is hogging all the bandwith and now my
    mother can't barely browse the web while I am in a virtual meeting"

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Dec 22 20:25:24 2021
    Re: Re: The Brittish Medical Journal is flagged as a fake news blog site
    By: Kurt Weiske to Arelor on Tue Dec 21 2021 08:18 am

    It might be time, with family all in one place, to move to a better messaging platform. My family is 25% Android and 75% Apple, so I'd like to get a cross-platform video and secure messaging app going.


    BTW, since Apple now actively scans people's phones to see what is in them, I think
    your family has bigger issues than running untrusted chat systems.

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 21:09:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Wednesday 22.12.21 - 20:04, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

    I am not even a hardcore Signal fan. It is just the best
    thing they are going to be able to use.

    And they wouldn't even try email? Session/Deltachat interfaces
    look the same on smartphones.


    My family makes extensive use of email, but email is for
    something else.

    Not sure what "email is for something else" means.. but I guess
    it's a family thing.

    Also, I was talking about Signal, not Session :-)

    True. My bad. I believe I sent you email about my fait
    accompli. I have no idea how I mixed up Session with Signal.


    I won't use my main email accoutns on a smartphone because
    I don't trust smartphones.Most of my email accounts I
    consider to deserve a high level of security because they
    are used for registering to web services, banking services
    and the like. I don't think consumer-grade smartphone
    operating systems are safe enough for managing such things.

    Give DeltaChat a test run. It uses one's existing email
    service and does not rely on 3rd-party systems like Telegram,
    nor like Session. The public keys are exchanged in the
    Autocrpyt header sections.


    For starters, I don't trust the vendors. The security of
    the whole stack is leaky and it shows (you may configure a
    certain proxy for the system, only for some applicaiton to
    ignore it and try to connect by its own means, for
    example). And the whole thing gets EOLed before poor people
    like us discards the hardware which means we are likely to
    end up running unsuported systems. So, not a great deal for
    email

    DeltaChat doesn't seem to have that problem (EOL, unsupported,
    etc..) Everything is self-contained using one's own existing
    email servers.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Sat Dec 25 07:03:30 2021
    Re: I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger.
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 2021 09:09 pm

    DeltaChat doesn't seem to have that problem (EOL, unsupported,
    etc..) Everything is self-contained using one's own existing
    email servers.

    Well, what I mean is that you may end up running a supported, secure version of DeltaChat on a phone with an obsolete, insecure baseband. Or an obsolete, insecure Android version.

    Or a supported, insecure Android version (after all, Google has root access to your phone if you have any Google Service enabled).

    If I have to give DeltaChat the password for one of my email accounts, then Android may access the email credentials. I find it unaceptable because email accounts are used for many non-communication critical activities - such as password recovery for online banking.

    Iç'd work if I used DeltaChat with an email account which I used for nothing important. For example, an email account created specifically for using DeltaChat over it. I would not consider it safe, but damage would be contained in case of compromise.

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Sat Dec 25 16:02:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 25.12.21 - 07:03, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

    DeltaChat doesn't seem to have that problem (EOL,
    unsupported, etc..) Everything is self-contained using
    one's own existing email servers.

    Well, what I mean is that you may end up running a
    supported, secure version of DeltaChat on a phone with an
    obsolete, insecure baseband. Or an obsolete, insecure
    Android version.

    Yeah.. but if the content is encapsulated in a PGP BLOCK, then
    what's the worry?

    Or a supported, insecure Android version (after all, Google
    has root access to your phone if you have any Google
    Service enabled).

    The rooting part sounds confusing. Can't you change the root
    credentials so that only you have access?

    If I have to give DeltaChat the password for one of my
    email accounts, then Android may access the email
    credentials. I find it unaceptable because email accounts
    are used for many non-communication critical activities -
    such as password recovery for online banking.

    Yes.. that aspect of DeltaChat had me worried. You really have
    to trust the app that it won't broadcast the login credentials
    outside your knowledge. But the code is open-source, and
    surely the skeptics have analysed it for any untoward
    potential?

    Iç'd work if I used DeltaChat with an email account which
    I used for nothing important. For example, an email account
    created specifically for using DeltaChat over it. I would
    not consider it safe, but damage would be contained in case
    of compromise.

    Having played with DeltaChat a bit myself (exporting the public
    key for someone to use in their OpenGPG keyring), I see that it
    would be best to use it with its own dedicated email account
    inorder to avoid multiple keys for the same email address.
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Sat Dec 25 18:27:07 2021
    Re: I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger.
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sat Dec 25 2021 04:02 pm

    The rooting part sounds confusing. Can't you change the root
    credentials so that only you have access?


    That is a difficult question.

    If you want Google Services you need to have Googleḉ's framework installed. Such framework has full access to everything in the phone with few exceptions (baseband and SIM card comes to mind).

    Google Play can install anything. If it can install anything, it can access anything. Contents stored in memory, such as decoded OpenPGP material; contents stored in the filesystem, such as OpenPGP keys.

    They can put whatever they want in the next Android update and the framework may download it and install it, no questions asked.

    You can flash the shit out of the phone and use an image that is not ridden with Google stuff. The drawbacks of doing so is that many applications won't work if Google's frameworks are not present, and that flashing the phone is not supported by vendors more often than not. At this point, people creates frameworks that make it look like Google is present on the phone so applications can work without actual Google presence. At this point, you are in hacker territory.

    Give up all Warranty Anybody who Herein Enters


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  • From TheCivvie@618:500/14.1 to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 16:38:51 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    20 Dec 21 18:20, you wrote to me:
    I take a "holiday" every so often from it and dont miss it. It is
    more to ke in contact with family that I do so, although recently I
    have started insist on Signal or Threema for updates

    TheCivvie

    I have migrated my family over to Signal Messenger. They keep their Facebooks but if they want to find me online they are going to have to play with my rules.

    I am not even a hardcore Signal fan. It is just the best thing they
    are going to be able to use.

    I tend to download new IM and see how they are, Signal has been the one I have used for the longest, mainly as it was used for a charity I worked with

    TheCivvie


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