• Re: Blade Runner

    From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 21 10:27:23 2020
    on 18 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    I'm not sure if it's the booze, drugs or age, but I completely forgot about Altered Carbon. The first season was fantastic and then they went and ruined it with the second season.

    I haven't gotten around to watching it yet - kind of wanted to read the book first, and since it's a bit of a departure from the first one (apparently almost an entire different subgenre) I haven't been super inspired to dig
    into it yet. What did they "ruin" with the second season?

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 21 10:30:24 2020
    on 19 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    It started strong and then reminded me of Alias, crazy centuries old
    cabal that have been following some mad man with some crazy supernatural abilities which have been brought on by pseudoscience.

    Wait, is THAT how Alias ended? I watched it when it was new but bailed after the first 2ish seasons. :P

    In retrospect, one of my favorite things about Alias was the constant abuse Bradley Cooper's character took. That was my introduction to him as an actor, and I hated that character. :)

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Bob Roberts on Mon Dec 21 23:24:31 2020
    Re: Stephenson (was Re: Blade Runner)
    By: Bob Roberts to echicken on Thu Dec 17 2020 14:09:10

    Did you ever read The Baroque Cycle? Those are the only major releases from him that I have not read.

    I read them. It was ... interesting historical fiction and provided a lot of information about its time period. I remember some bits and pieces, some scenes, some characters, but if there was much of an actual story to it, I've forgotten it.

    I wouldn't urge anybody to go and read it, but I wouldn't actively discourage them either.

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 21 23:27:33 2020
    Re: Re: Blade Runner
    By: Netsurge to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 19 2020 02:46:02

    The authors of the Expanse series have already made it clean that when they are done catching up to the books, that's it. No more TV show. It's been great so far, I hope they don't get bought out with bags and bags of Bezo's money and allow them to run in into the ground.

    I believe it's been settled that season 6 will be the last one (season 5 is currently being released on Prime Video, once episode per week I think).

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Tue Dec 22 09:29:08 2020

    On Monday December 21, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    I haven't gotten around to watching it yet - kind of wanted to read the book first, and since it's a bit of a departure from the first one (apparently almost an entire different subgenre) I haven't been super inspired to dig into it yet. What did they "ruin" with the second
    season?

    Where do I start. The acting was terrible, the plot line was poor, special effects were bad.

    The whole tone of it changed. They went from a dark and mysterious storyline
    to a high velocity almost campy story line.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Tue Dec 22 09:35:03 2020

    On Monday December 21, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Wait, is THAT how Alias ended? I watched it when it was new but bailed after the first 2ish seasons. :P

    Yeah. All the while they were after some secret from some supernatual da
    vinci code style historical figure.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to echicken on Tue Dec 22 09:36:09 2020

    On Monday December 21, 2020, Echicken said to Netsurge...

    I believe it's been settled that season 6 will be the last one (season 5
    is currently being released on Prime Video, once episode per week I
    think).

    The released 3 episodes a week or so ago and won't release the rest till sometime in the new year. Something to do with another book release.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 22 09:25:42 2020
    on 22 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    Where do I start. The acting was terrible, the plot line was poor,
    special effects were bad.

    That blows. :( I still want to watch it, but at least when/if I do I'll have
    my expectations set nice and low...

    The whole tone of it changed. They went from a dark and mysterious storyline to a high velocity almost campy story line.

    Like I mentioned, that was somewhat excepted, as the three books that make up the series apparently all have very different tones, with the later two being much more on the hard scifi side of things. When I was first researching the series it seemed like a lot of people had similar comments about the books -
    so many reviewers liked one (or two) but not all three. That said, from what I've (just) read, season 2 only barrows elements here and there from the sequels, and mostly the third book, so I guess it's not really based on
    either. *shrug* Ah well, at least season 1 was decent, and a self-contained storyline at that.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 22 09:28:11 2020
    on 22 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    Yeah. All the while they were after some secret from some supernatual da vinci code style historical figure.

    Yep, I remember that stuff - Rambaldi. I didn't hate that stuff by any means, but it was fairly grounded up to what I watched but even back then it felt
    like it had the potential to go way off the rails.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Tue Dec 22 14:55:41 2020

    On Tuesday December 22, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Like I mentioned, that was somewhat excepted, as the three books that
    make up the series apparently all have very different tones, with the later two being much more on the hard scifi side of things. When I was first researching the series it seemed like a lot of people had similar comments about the books - so many reviewers liked one (or two) but not all three. That said, from what I've (just) read, season 2 only barrows elements here and there from the sequels, and mostly the third book, so
    I guess it's not really based on either. *shrug* Ah well, at least
    season 1 was decent, and a self-contained storyline at that.

    I have only read the first book and will now read the rest just to improve
    the expierence I had watching the 2nd season.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Tue Dec 22 14:57:03 2020

    On Tuesday December 22, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Yep, I remember that stuff - Rambaldi. I didn't hate that stuff by any means, but it was fairly grounded up to what I watched but even back
    then it felt like it had the potential to go way off the rails.

    I don't mind the whole "secrets with historical figures" thing and normally
    I like thing Abrams does, but the whole thing went completely off the rails
    in the 4th season, much like Lost. It's almost like they only had 3 seasons
    on material and then took a shit load of money to add new story lines that
    they pulled out of their asses.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 22 12:14:29 2020
    on 22 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    I have only read the first book and will now read the rest just to
    improve the expierence I had watching the 2nd season.

    Ah, I didn't realize you'd read the book. What did you think of it versus the series? Some of the odd changes that made in the show had me facepalming, and really made me wonder how they could possibly work those changes into adaptions of the sequels. I guess that's not really going to be an issue though...

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Wed Dec 23 16:35:12 2020

    On Tuesday December 22, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Ah, I didn't realize you'd read the book. What did you think of it
    versus the series? Some of the odd changes that made in the show had me facepalming, and really made me wonder how they could possibly work
    those changes into adaptions of the sequels. I guess that's not really going to be an issue though...

    It was a while ago, at least 10 years or so (I should check good reads). I
    do remember a lot of the TV story line from the book but I also do remember their being a lot of things that were not in the book. I have committed to reading the first book and then reading Broken Angels and Woken Furies
    during the holidays, so let me refresh my memory and get back to you.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Thu Dec 24 10:21:54 2020
    on 23 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    It was a while ago, at least 10 years or so (I should check good reads).
    I do remember a lot of the TV story line from the book but I also do remember their being a lot of things that were not in the book. I have committed to reading the first book and then reading Broken Angels and Woken Furies during the holidays, so let me refresh my memory and get
    back to you.

    Ahh, gotcha. I read the book and then almost immediately watched the series,
    so it was very fresh in my mind. There were quite a few changes like the Hendrix being switched to the Poe (and the hotel AI becoming much more important to the plot, oddly) and his relationship with Ortega, but the
    biggest and dumbest was the whole thing with the main antagonist and his
    sister (keeping that vague on purpose.) Why?! They added all of these additional main characters instead of focusing on Kovacs which, while
    probably making it more entertaining to watch, loses a lot of the noir vibe
    the book had.

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